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I have a feeling that "face" is maybe starting to play a part here. I think as reality has set in after talking to other teams, Marner's team has to find a way to back peddle without making it look like they caved. I think the 2 to 3 year deal, as you laid out, is maybe the face saving way to move forward.
I love Marner, but I totally agree with you. With the money we save and those 4 first rounders, we could really shore up our team.
Happy belated Birthday Andrew! Great job as always!
EDIT: There wont be an offer sheet guys. Its ridiculous to think that. Marner wont sign an offer sheet. Hes staying in T.O. Its too much of a risk to sign an offer sheet and hope the Leafs will match. But what Andrew says in this video is absolutely correct. If Marner does go elsewhere, Leafs can do so much with the picks and the cap space. Not going to happen!
I don't necessarily think an offer sheet needs to even be in the $12+ million range for Dubas not to match. I think as soon as the AAV goes to $10.6 and beyond, he lets Marner walk and takes the 4 first round picks. Mitch Marner is a fantastic player, but he is not worth $10.6 million or more on any length of contract, end of story. If it's just under $10.6 million, I think Dubas matches, but Marner would still be over-payed in this scenario. If he wants 4 or 5 years, then he is worth $8 - $9 million at the most. That's market value. If it's a 7 or 8 year deal, then it obviously goes up, but no more than $10 million imo. His body of work shows a 60-70 point playmaker with confidence issues who benefited from playing with one of the top snipers in the world last season. Marner helped Tavares score more goals to be sure, but Mitch's point totals increased by almost 30 from being slotted beside JT, and Tavares' totals went up by only 4, so who was helping who?
I agree from the beginning, the Leafs are in the driver's seat. Marner signs with Leafs=win for the Leafs. Marner signs offer sheet, Leafs get 4 first round picks=win for Leafs. Marner holds out, Leafs still in the driver's seat.
@John B. Sorry, but Tavares. Manna from the Hockey Gods, just played his first year. Matthews, Nylander, Kapanen and Johnsson just signed their first extended contracts [no more league minimum] Marner still isn't signed. I know the Leafs have made the Playoffs, but their still in rebuild. The Offense and Goalie are covered [back-up could be improved], Defense is looking up. But, Reillys two year out from a new contract. Sandin and Liljegren are still a year away, if they're ready next year. Leafs will be able to sign Barrie long term, with Muzzin out. Ceci will have to prove his worth this year, or he'll be gone like Zeitsev. You claim 1st round picks are over-rated, The entire core of the Leafs is 1st round picks. Yah, the Leafs like to develop picks for 2years; and it's been working pretty good. so I have no idea what your trying to claim, the Leafs will need an abundance of new young talent over the next 5-7years to fill the holes on the roster. Trading cost the Leafs players, prospects and picks. Free agency cost money. The Leafs are capped out, and the cupboards are getting bare in the minors. Of coarse the Leafs have immediate prospects for next year. Bracco -[who could crack this years line-up] Sandin-Liljegren are getting along. Shipping out Grunni and Druzi and 1st round pick next year, put a hole in the development 2years down the road. The Leafs are still building, and things are looking good. []The Leafs will be finished rebuilding when the Leafs have locked up All top4 defense long term, and management is comfortable moving forward with the group. Next year Barrie and Muzzin could be gone, Leafs aren't quite finished rebuilding. 80% there. Add 5% for Marner signing, add 5% for each additional Top4 dmen the Leafs sign long term. Who knows Barrie could sign an extension during the season, if Muzzin says he's going to free agency; the Leafs will have the cap. I hope Marner signs, I really do; but considering where the Leafs were 4years ago. Look at a line-up even without Marner, is pretty sweet; especially when you add 7 - 1st round picks over the next 4 year - If a non-playoff team offer sheets him [DAM!!!]. That's the blue-print for developing the entire Leafs Defensive core for the next 7-10years. Things are good in Leafs Nation. Don't spit in the eye of picks, Draft picks built this team.
@John B The 4 fist rounders are assets that can be traded to get that key player.
Fozzy Bear, Leafs are contenders now with Marner without Marner Leafs could lose a playoff spot.The 4 first rounders are over rated as Leafs are not rebuilding.
4 first rounders are over 4 years a complete waste.
Mitch Marner is an extremely overrated player who is really nothing special. His advanced stats and possession metrics are far from impressive. In fact, even Nylander has better numbers than him. So far in their careers, Nylander’s Corsi for is 54% whereas Marner’s is only 40%. In fact, each 30 goal scorer on the Leafs found more success playing with Nylander than with Marner. Kadri has a .86 G/60 playing with Nylander and .85 playing with Marner. Van Riemsdyk has a 1.33 G/60 playing with Nylander and 1.18 with Marner. Tavares has a 6.27 G/60 playing with Nylander and 1.53 with Marner. Matthews has a 1.53 G/60 with Nylander and a 1.04 with Marner. This suggests that Marner doesn’t have a lot of individual talent plus his all round game is lacking. He has been riding on success playing with elite centres such as Kadri and Tavares. On his own he is average at best. Everyone has been talking about how he should be getting paid 9-10 million a season, but he’s actually nowhere close to that level. In reality, Mitch Marner’s closest comparable is Conor Sheary, another average winger who has benefited from playing with elite centres. Anything offer sheet over 5 million dollars the Leafs should not bother matching.
I'm in the same boat as you I like mitch alot BUT The Torono Maple Leafs come before any player. Dubus will do what's right for the Team and that's all you can ask for.
Maybe score 30 goals before negotiating to be the highest paid winger in the nhl. I agree on the short term deal happening but it sounds like Marner is fixated on big money and short term. However, like many others stated, Marner is a valuable asset whose value will help team even if he signs an offer sheet.
A team giving him 12 million and the Leafs getting 4 picks would make the Leafs stronger. Vegas is way above the cap. Take one of the first round picks you get and trade it for Mark Stone. 8 years at 9.5 and a scoring playmaking winger. That gives us the winger and cap room for the deadline with 3 first round picks.
I think for the first time I agree with you , here is how this is going to go, no team will offer sheet him , he will sit or sign an 3 or 7 year.. that’s the offer , he will not get center money , he does not deserve it. Either way the leafs are just fine. Dubas will match anything up to 10.5 mill ... after that , take the picks and the cap. I want him to stay badly , but if he has to go he has to go
Youre totally right. Its annoying how people dont get this yet. Marner will sign a bridge, just how much? Im sure Marner wants 3 years at 10... which is high compared to Meier at 4 years by 6
The whole offer sheet isnt happening. Top tier rfas are less likely to be sheeted unless highly over paid. Just not going to happen.
I forget who on tsn said it, but it seemed like mid tier rfas were more likely. Kapanen at 5 million over 7 years is much more realistic than a team giving up 4 firsts on an OS that only woukdnt be matched if the contract is a huge over payment
Marner doesn’t make or break this team! If he left it could really be a blessing in disguise
@Kase Keaton yup, have been watching on Flixzone for months myself :)
Pro tip : watch series on flixzone. Me and my gf have been using it for watching all kinds of movies lately.
They need to give marner a deadline. Definitely don't want to have another nylander situation.
Can’t have another nylander
I appreciate, and I do agree with, the idea that a player has the right to do certain things, but I think if Marner signed an offer sheet for ridiculous money and ended up playing for another team, this fanbase would be 100% entitled to be angry with him. Only 3 years in the league and forcing his way out of Toronto, where he wants to be, over completely unreasonable contract demands. You don't get to just say someone is your comparable with no reasoning to back that up. Mitch Marner and Auston Matthews could not be worse comparables.
That all said. We arent't there yet and I hope we don't get there. I want and expect Mitch Marner to be on this team when the puck drops in October.
John Tavaras played in the league for 9 yrs before he got his pay day....and he left money on the table to come home. mitch Marner has had one good year and he wants Taveras money. Ridiculous. Dubas blew it with Nylander , which was the trigger for this mess.If Nylander has another mail in season, then he has to go . he's making more then a lot of really good NHLers, who put up big numbers. And don't be seduced by his stats at the worlds. It's not the NHL playoffs. Padding your stats against Belarus, does not fool me.
Happy belated birthday Andrew all the best Health and Happiness.
Marner doesn't deserve Matthews money IMO. A lot has been said about how JT had a career year playing with Marner but actually he was only 4 pts better then he was the previous year playing on Long Island . Marner on the other hand was 25 pts better playing with Tavares. The difference this year has been JT. If he was still playing with Bozak would he have gotten the same production ? Don't think so! He shouldn't get more then 9.5 and it should be a long term deal! Dubas better not fold and give in to Marners demands!
@Kevin De Bruyne GOAT rust plays with Crosby blue jackets ain't making the play offs either way tbl. All.the way
zoe donavon
No he is not. Atkinson scored 40 goals, Marner has never got higher than 26. He’s overrated and relies on Tavares to carry him. Even Bryan Rust is better than Marner.
@Kevin De Bruyne GOAT aha ha ha ha u are joking right I mean I hate the leafs but marner is on a level.above Atkinson Columbus have no superstars ..the one you had pissed off to the rags
zoe donavon
No they couldn’t. They already have Atkinson who is 10x the player Marner is. Marner is worse than Sheary!
@Kevin De Bruyne GOAT a team like the jackets could use him
Andrew great video you are correct many other ways to go. if it comes to a head let him walk
I'm done with all this nonsense. I'll tune in on game day and if Marner's in the lineup great but I no longer care.
@Goat -Explain how Kadri is an Elite a player at 60pts [rank him 69th]. Your Elite Kadri had 61pt 3years ago - 55pt two years ago and 44pts last year [The top 50 players this year had 72+points] But Marner 11th Over-all at 94pts is an average player. ROFLMAO!!! FYI. Marner had 26goals this past year, whereas kadri had 16goals. Yah, Kadri elite. LOL!! Marner was ranked 11th this year, Kadri was ranked 142nd tied with Kapanen. Yah, Kapanen who had 20g not 16g, and Kapanen just signed 3.2M dollar deal. I guess Kapanen is an elite player too. [haha] Also explain how Hyman who has been given the Golden Throne of 1st line in Toronto for the last two years, hasn't seen his point production go through the roof playing with Tavares this year. HMMM!! 40pt two years ago, to excuse me 41pts, a whole extra point playing with Tavares all year. So much for your Elite goal scorer padding the stats theory. Can't have your cake and eat it too.
Sweety
The reason why Marner led the Leafs in scoring 2 years in a row is because he got carried by elite centres such as Kadri and Tavares. Look at his play without them, he is absolutely abysmal. Just a below average player who rides on his teammates for success. He is actually on the same level as Conor Sheary.
@The Goat - The Leafs paid Nylander 6.9M for back to back 60pt seasons. The way you're tooting about Nylander, the Leafs made the right decision. Mitch Marner lead the Leafs in scoring for the last two years and put 94pts on the table last year. If you think the Leafs shouldn't pay Mitch Marner North of 9M, you know nothing about Mitch Marner, and probably haven't even seen him play; basing your entire argument on Corsi stats. If you think the Leafs should let him sail for 5M, then you know even less about hockey. Losing Marner for compensation that's equivalent to a slap in the face [Especially when the Leafs are staring down the barrel of four 1st round picks] Leafs already Offered Marner 10M, the Leafs will clearly match any offer under 10.650M. Marner was 11th in scoring, and only Kucherov the League Leading scorer had more assist than Marner [68] . The Leafs offered Marner 10M for 7years, Marner wants short term so he can make more money as the cap goes up every year. 10M puts Marner into tie for 10th highest paid player in the League, [excluding bonuses and endorsements] I think that was more than fare offer for Marner, if Marner is waiting for someone to pay him more than McDavid, it's not going to happen; only 6 players are receiving more than 10M per season and the Leafs are paying two. McDavid 12.5M - Panarin - 11.6M - Matthews 11.6M - Karlsson 11.5M - Tavares 11M - Doughty 11M. [] Teams haven't offer sheeted Marner because no one is willing to lose four 1st round picks for a player who's only offering 4years max. I have to say it's smart, as he wants to stay in Toronto; he'll just push this until training camp. Leafs and Marner will split the difference. Marner wants 4years - Leafs want 7 - It'll be 5years,and Marner comes down to 10.25M [He was asking Tavares/Matthews money]. That'll push Marner into sole position of 10th highest paid player in the League.
John B
Nope he is not good. Jake Guentzel is miles better than him and should be making 9-10 million AAV if he was on another team.
The Goat,
You are delusional Marner will be as good as Kane in Chicago.
Love these videos brother, keep up the awesome work. Seems like DE ja vu because I comment almost the same thing all the time, but it's true. Cheers
9.6mil is 120k/game or 15mins playing time. There is no way he can be happy with that! He knows as fans of his we can find 30k more/game for him. Lets not cheap out & demand Leafs trade somebody & raise prices so he has the $$ he demands from us !
just trade him for mcdavid and get it over with.
happy belated birthday man.. thanks for the updates
The NHL needs to make a rule to help clubs keep their young drafted players. If Marner leaves I feel like the Leafs are being punished for drafting and developing their own players. And this is coming from a Sabres fan.
Besides that I suppose you weren't watching the game pre-cap, post salary explosion (1995-2006) the on-ice product was terrible, only about 3 teams could afford the best talent and every time you watched a game, you never heard about hockey, rivalries or story-lines, all the commentators talked about was MONEY how one team could afford to ice a team that could compete with the other, it was BORING. You have NO IDEA what you are talking about. Such a rule may have protected the Leafs in that a stupid overpay F.A like Tavares couldn't have happened, as, by your rule, the Islanders could have kept him. If they had, your nightmare of a GM couldn't have brought what looked like a golden era for your team crashing down in flames, by not properly allocating your team's budget, throwing money at whatever he wanted, and kicking the problem down the road to the next guy, Marner is THE LAST guy, it can be kicked no further and Dubas has to deal with the consequences of managing a team to "Build his own brand" and feed his ego, rather than for that team's own good...Fire Kyle Dubas, then and ONLY THEN will Marner agree to take less.
It's NOT THE NHL'S FAULT they are in this situation, this situation was created by Dubas using the Toronto Maple Leafs GM job to "Build the Kyle Dubas Brand" Tavares made ZERO SENCE for the Leafs, Dubas singed him to get face time and stroke his own ego, everything Dubas does is to keep the spotlight on Dubas, INCLUDING always being in the middle of these "Disputes" ONE of this B.S needed to happen, it was ALL Kyle Dubas' doing, he overpaid everyone else to the point where OF COURSE there was going to be a "Marner problem" how could there not be? I have no idea how Dubas has ANY supporters at all, it's like mass hypnosis, he has done NOTHING but set the team back since he came on board. Ever deal has set the table for a war on the next one...and yet, nobody brings it up...Well, I see you Dubas, you and your two pillars of excellence, and your four all-seeing eyes...I see you clear as if you had been...Illuminated, by the mourning star,
Great vid do another montreal canadiens laine video
I know this would never happen but trade him for laine, sign laine to a 6 year 9 mill and sign a back up
I'm not sure Laine is a a 9 million dollar player He is still mainly a one dimensional player. Can score goals no doubt, but he was a -24 this past season. I'd have him at 6 - 7 mil tops, at least at this point in his career.
The Leafs already have adequate scoring power, I mean their lack of playoff success wasn't because they didn't have players who could put the puck in the net.
I don't think you gain anything by swapping out someone who can both make plays and score goals for someone who is mainly a sniper. Marner is also a +22.
Leafs would lose a ton of value in this deal, IMO.
WTF
If he signs he signs
9.75-10 million max all of it at best
If Columbus offers it must upwards of 10.5/10.75
Leafs would either have to walk or trade the likes of Kapanen, Johnsson or Nylander
Anything under 11 the Leafs will match and trade Kerfoot or Kapanen.
DO NOT OVERPAY FOR Mitch. 10 to 10.5 over 6 years
By the 9 min mark you convinced me
Bottom line is. Marner is not worth 12 million or 11 million a year. He's a winger that's primarily a set up man. No Gm in their right mind is gonna pay that kind of money. That kind of cash is given to pure goal scoring snippers. Not set up men. the leafs have a playoff team without him. I'd take the 4 first rounders in a second.
Happy Birthday Andrew!!
You should talk about why you think it says Marners team is Montreal
Happy belated b-day Andrew !!
all this BS with Marner why is there no talk on Laine, Point, Tkachuk or Rantanen they could just as likely get an offer sheet.
Great stuff Kid!
Thank you
I’m so burnt on this topic, but I haven’t heard too much lately.
Andrewi If Marner signs a 2 or 3 year deal, thats a bridge deal and IMHO it should be for $5 to $6 million. Want more money sign longer term. If its all about money then Marner signing elsewhere he loses a lot of money from commercials he wouldn't receive in another market....if its ego and wanting Mathews money then that could turn into poison in locker room.
Look marner wants 12.5 aho signed 8.5 aho 83 points marner 94 aho plays with williams marner with tavares and hyman ;-;
@Kevin De Bruyne GOAT I personally think he isnt that talented bit works very hard
Mitch Marner is an extremely overrated player who is really nothing special. His advanced stats and possession metrics are far from impressive. In fact, even Nylander has better numbers than him. So far in their careers, Nylander’s Corsi for is 54% whereas Marner’s is only 40%. In fact, each 30 goal scorer on the Leafs found more success playing with Nylander than with Marner. Kadri has a .86 G/60 playing with Nylander and .85 playing with Marner. Van Riemsdyk has a 1.33 G/60 playing with Nylander and 1.18 with Marner. Tavares has a 6.27 G/60 playing with Nylander and 1.53 with Marner. Matthews has a 1.53 G/60 with Nylander and a 1.04 with Marner. This suggests that Marner doesn’t have a lot of individual talent plus his all round game is lacking. He has been riding on success playing with elite centres such as Kadri and Tavares. On his own he is average at best. Everyone has been talking about how he should be getting paid 9-10 million a season, but he’s actually nowhere close to that level. In reality, Mitch Marner’s closest comparable is Conor Sheary, another average winger who has benefited from playing with elite centres. Anything offer sheet over 5 million dollars the Leafs should not bother matching.
The Toronto Maple Leafs come before any player.!!!! I love him too, but..............................
It's gonna go all summer
No team is going to offer sheet him for big money and short term.
Happy birthday for July 12 and awesome videos
Happy Birthday bud!
Hey Man YOUR OPINION is why I watch you,,,,Leafs are driving the bus , Marner leave home he loses sponsorship money
Marner is not worth 11 million dollars,take the offer sheet for 4 first round draft picks and sign a top d-man...you dont need to score 5 if you allow only 3,,,,,,leafs are soft and give up to many shots.Give him 8/9 million for 7 years or trade him!!
Go Leafs Go.
Happy belated birthday man!
Happy belated bday bud
Leafs can't offer sheet anyone. they don't have all their firsts. It can't be another teams first.
They can, but it wouldn't be a star player by any stretch.
Sell he's aas and get a captain...
Just my opinion, but I think the Leafs already have a captain right under their noses - Tavares. I don't see anyone else on the team that would make a better captain.
Happy birthday bro!
Happy bday what did you end up do
The leafs need too trade Jake Gardner, but he wants $7mil plus, which is why Toronto is having problems Trading him! Plus if anyone offers Marner $10.5 or more, that team would have to give the Leafs 4 number one picks, so that is like out of the question!
StarvingDad4Change Btw Gardiner is much better then you think he is. His defensive stats are better then Riellys over the past 3 seasons.
@Andrew Piluk Hockey That's great news, to bad the leafs didn't get anything for him, that could have been used to help pay for Marner's contract, good work dude!
StarvingDad4Change You do realize Gardiner is a free agent and can go wherever he wants. He is no longer a Leafs. They cant trade him.
I hope someone offer sheets him I sick of listening to this shit everyday. Nothing wrong with 4 draft picks and signing Barrie with the cash they save.
Interesting
Sadly Dubas would agree but he just gave away an amazing 2way centre on a team-friendly contract for a 1year rental on a rh jake gardner and signed an ahl calibre ceci at 4.5mil. Then kept the soft, selfish and streaky nylander who screwed the team last year and didn't even notice the playoffs were on.
What’s your second channel called?
Happy late birthday andew
David Arthur Thank you
The Aho effect
If marner gets traded dibs on his girlfriend
anyone else seeing this it says montreal canadiens is his current team when you search him up on the side
@Peter Fishwick nah it is fixed now
Another smurf on habs your kidding
Ya it says NHL Team Montreal Canadiens....I wish lmao
I’m getting sick of Marner. Fans should start a boycott on any sponsorship that given to Marner
@Matt Smith that's just a guess, nobody knows what he has been offered
And that’s $3 million in sponsorship he gets a year good luck getting it from any other city he goes too
He’s going to have more than enough money to live comfortably the rest of his life. And a lot of players will try to stay on the competitive team instead of soaking them for every cent he can. He needs a reality check there’s a balance between how much you make and how competitive the team is. If he was offered 10 million he’ll be OK
He’s been offered 10 million over eight years season with $3 million a year in sponsorship on his childhood favourite team who is incredibly competitive stop being greedy and signed the deal
based on speculation and rumours? Oh please stop worrying, Mitch will sign.
Hope you had a fun birthday, Andrew. And I hope Marner lands where he will be happy. It is not just about the money.
Good. Bye bye marner
Don't agree with the video uploader at all on this. Mitch Marner is indeed in the drivers seat with this round of negotiation. The reasons are many:
He is the smartest IQ player on the team
He is the most talented player on the team
He knows the Leafs can't sign him to more than 9.5 million per year cap because quite simply the Leafs can't make a cap hit of over 9.5 million work because they don't have it this year period.
He knows that he is the most likeable player on the team both in and out of the dressing room therefore his brand/market value is worth way more than Tavares and Matthews combined to the public.
He knows that Matthews got over 11 million cap hit and Tavares got 11 million cap hit and he is worth more than those two players already
The Leafs want an offer sheet to happen, period. They are hoping that Marner signs an offer sheet of over 10.6 million per year because they know they can't match it and they will accept the 4 first rounders. Marner will get $12.5 per year AAV from a team that has cap space and there are lots of teams out there that can also offer a much better income tax situation in their province or state, so Marner would net more money.
Sorry Toronto, but Marner will not be playing for the Leafs this year or likely ever again!
Chris Nauta The Leafs have a tad over 11 million in space.
I think the Maple Laughs screwed up by paying Mathews and Tavares way more then they should have.... now they can't pay Marner what he wants
if leafs got rid of fan fav KADRI leafs better get rid of TWINKLE TOES GARDNER.please please please,GARDNER BE GONE.I dont care what else they do but get GARDNER GONE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.I you have to just let him walk walk walk
I'm just gonna kibosh all the speculation you're spreading by telling you Columbus cant even issue an offer sheet to anyone, because they don't even have the compensatory picks.
You can use future picks
I think Marner wants a 4 year deal, but if they give that he could walk. That is when he has the control of how much he makes. If he gets an offer from the leafs to give a 4 year deal with the teams option to extend at a higher number like 10 mill per for two more years then I would like to know if that would be an option? If he gets 100+ points it has a bonus of a million too.
This is why I can't stand the leafs sometimes. Nylander and now marner? I swear they just wait until the last minute just to keep people interested. I don't even care anymore lol. I'm done with the leafs lol. I'm kidding but at the same time I'm not lol.
Boeser, a first, and a good prospect would work as a trade for Marner. Opens up cap space needed later for the defence and there's still a quality winger to play with Tavares.
I hope Marner does what makes him happy, and I just want to say I hope all you people are right about Nylander because what I seen in his last 2 seasons he is not worth the money.
Andrew Piluk Hockey I wouldn’t even bother, this guy is the definition of casual hockey fan
Charlie B Lol this is so wrong
You didnt watch him before last year clearly.
Last two ? Did you watch year before this year
Dubas get this done please Sign Marner end this summer Drama I want Marner to be a leaf more than anybody as well loved him here in London on the knights and love him on the Leafs he is my fav player let’s get it done in Toronto it’s time
Doing
The Only Reason this isn’t done already is because Toronto had big dreams on paying this guy below market value and getting him on the cheap. If They would have Offered him 8 Years @ 92 Million from day 1 he would have been signed already. Now fast forward 3 - 4 Months and I could easily see the Islander or Columbus Offer Sheeting him at 7 Years @ 91 Million. Why wouldn’t you when all 4 of those first round picks will be late picks anyway since you’ll have Barzel and Marner in there prime’s for 7 Years. TOR and there Fans thought they were gonna get Mitch on the Cheap and it backed Fired and is only gonna cost them more money
Lippy ill answer this in a video because its crazy tbh. Im not sure where you are coming from here.
Andrew Piluk Hockey What stats back up that A. Win will Trade Ellhers to a rival in TOR B. That he will magically become a 60 Point player again and C. That would be enough to replace Marner with the moves that they made...... I give you a ton of credit for always answering comments on your channel but I just think your blind devotion to TOR gives you a false hope you’ll be ok without Marner....... He’s the best player on the Team and Stats do in fact back that up and TOR will be a lot worse without him....... With Marner TOR has the # 1 Top 6 in the NHL IMO, Without Marner there not even in the Top 5 anymore.... Prolly 7th or 8th.... Just give the guy his 8 Years at 12million or 4 Years at 9 Million and call it a day, he’s not going to want 3 because then he’s just a RFA again, u can under pay market value and send him to UFA at 26 Years old or go a little over Market to lock up some UFA Years. I don’t understand why this isn’t done yet except for the fact that TOR fans seem to be backing Dubas for some dumb reason
@Lippy Well my evaluation is backed up by stats. I study this stuff way too much to just say that for fun.
Andrew Piluk Hockey I couldn’t disagree with you more on your evaluation of the players but I agree a 3 Year Bridge Deal at 9 Million would be a fair contract. I wish Dubas would just do 3 for 27 Million and call it a day but I think Dubas wants Marner on the cheap if it’s a bridge deal.
Lippy Being on the PK doesnt make you the best player. Also Matthews was overpaid by a bit. Matthews plays center and scores lots of goals. I keep having to tell people that those qualities is what gms pay for in this league. Bts Ehlers with Tavares gets 60 points no problem. Ehlers is a really good young player. You are crazy if you think it takes four firsts. Winnipeg is in trouble with their contracts. Give them two firsts and Timoshov or Bracco and that deal is done. Then you use the other two picks for whatever you want. Marner leaving the Leafs doesnt make or brake this team. I love the guy but with Nylander and Matthews back together they will tear it up again. Johnsson and Kappy look good. Tavares who bts drove more possession on 5 on 5 play then Marner makes everyone good around him. Funny how everyone is talking about how Marner helped Tavares when they helped eachother. Tavares may have had a career year but not by much. It was Marner who exploded because JT drove procession and buried goals. Now the Leafs have a full season of a 60 point Barrie. Muzzin for a full year. Liljegren coming up most likely and all the young guys are making progress. Marner is not worth 12 or 11 on a 6 year deal. He only gets that much if its 8 years maybe. But even he doesnt want that. It will be 3 years and 9. If he wants to get overpaid he can go somewhere else and regret not playing with a team that is going to be really good and finally win a round or two and who knows. With other additions can make a real run at the cup. Dubas has done a fantastic job with this team.
No way leafs are in the driver seat.....
Patrick Doran 100 percent
TIM & SID CAME TO THE WILLIE CONCLUSION, IF MITCH SIGNS BIG BUCKS, WILLIE GOTTA GO
@Terrible.dee I respectfully disagree. Nylander isn't everyone's favourite player, but he has been Auston Matthews' most effective line-mate thus far in both of their careers. If he gets back to the form he was at 2 seasons ago, when he and Matthews were one of the most electrifying young duo's in the NHL, his $6.9 million contract will look very good. Aside from Matthews, Kyle Dubas has low-balled all of his young stars, to the point where they have no choice but to hold out.
@Joe Blythe The most positive thing the Leafs could do is rid themselves of the Nylander boat anchor.
@Kevin Acres There are a hand full of other contracts the Leafs could move to make cap space that won't negatively affect the roster, and you think that they must trade one of their young, potential all-star caliber players, when his trade value is as low as it will ever be throughout his career. I'm glad you are not the GM of the Leafs.
Bye Willie
Tim and Sid are wrong about nearly 100% of their "hot takes"
Marner is a complete player. Matthews is not.
Sorry Andrew, But Willie is the main guy on the trade block... As Marner, Willie and Kapenen are each top 6 forwards, Kapenen could replace Nylander and shown that he could. Paying 7 mill for a 3rd line RW or C or potential 2nd RW is too expensive when kapenen and kerfoot cost less than Nylander.