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Bozak as his centreman: 16-17 61pts17-18 69ptsTavares as his centreman:18-19 94ptsNow just imagine if Bozak didn’t leave and the leafs never signed JT. How much points would he have? 75? 80? Best believe it wouldn’t be 94!Marner’s gotta sign a reasonable contract or leave.
JT 4 points better with Marner, Marner 25 points better with JT
Bighomie89 plus he is a Light weight Winger
@Roller Cain Tavares' linemates from the Isle did the same without him. Marner has made a three year career of inflating numbers for his linemates. Tavares even had his best year ever. Even with that best year ever he was still 6 points behind Marner. I really don't see what your point is.
Been trying to say this to the marnerite's.
Tavares has made a career of inflating numbers for his line mates. Marner is great but no way he gets close to 94 points with a guy like Kadri or Bozak.
I think he wants the same as what Matthews got!!! Thank you, daddy and agent!!! Goodbye Mitch, you were my favourite, once upon a time!
Chet Cowie Marner isn’t a goal scorer therefore he shouldn’t get Matthews’ money.Without goal scorers all his assists would fall short.Sorry Marner, you shouldn’t get more than 9 mil + a 20 mil signing bonus.
Chet don't forget mommy, she's tougher than Daddy.
I'd love to see him sit out the year and the leafs win the cup, then trade him lol.
I like Marner , I would like Marner to remain a Leaf his whole career . That being said I am getting tired of this whole situation , either do something or get off the pot Mitch.
While I love Mitch mariner and his style of play, this whole negotiation is getting out of hand. He’s not worth any of the contracts he’s been offered, I think it’s time Dubas started listening to trade offers. Let him handcuff some other teams cap. Put that money towards beefing up the defense and stronger depth. They would be better off than having the whole team revolve around three players.
I believe the deal is done as soon as the LTIR's kick in soon. They can't make that deal before that happens.
There’s something I don’t get why does the NHL punish teams for drafting well. They should to get rid of the hard cap and have something like the NBA and have a luxury tax or something
This was a good video, and I have to say I don't blame Mitch one bit when you see the sweet heart deal they threw to Matthews without him even having to put up a fight for it.In my opinion Matthews will be gone when he hits free agency, where Marner has loved the Leafs for his entire life and you know that's where he wants to play. Find him the money and contract to make him happy, and hopefully a Leaf for life.
This waiting game is now the trend and all the higher level RFA:s are unsigned (Point,Rantanen,Laine,Marner,Connor..). Only Aho has signed because he got offer sheeted. So the public doesn't know what is up, but the GMs and agents do. So just relax. It will work out fine in the end
If he is turning down these numbers where the hell is his love for the leafs.
They offered Matthews what they think he is worth and he signed without trying to hold them up .
I was hoping an offer sheet would come in to end this but doesn't look like that will happen. Young players want to get paid now right away.
Marner deserves no less than 9 and no more than 10.5. I disagree that if we grab him for 9.8 for 7 it's dicey.. I'd be pretty comfortable. Not have to worry about the crunch of numbers for a while and in 5 years when hes got a couple years left, we could be looking at the highest paid contract in the realm of 13 mil where 9.8 will be the 'new 7 mil'.
When Stamkos signed his second NHL contract, he had two 90 point seasons as well as a major NHL award (Rocket Richard). I believe it was a 5 year deal with a cap hit that would be worth around 9.5 per season if signed today, with less than 20% of the contract in signing bonuses.Marner has had less production and fewer 90 point seasons, never won an NHL award let alone a major one and the contract he will sign and what has likely been offered by Dubas has a much higher portion in signing bonuses.If he and his agent (and daddy) are seeking for 10M over three years they need to lay off the drugs and alcohol.And this is coming from a huge Marner fan.
Yeah but the taxes are different in Florida.. that's why they sign for less
He will sign for $8.9 to $9.3 for three years a week or so into training camp
Joe Slater that crazy Nikita Kucherov is far better then Mitch got like 5 or 6 hell PK only got like 4.2
In 7 games against Boston this post season. Marner had 2 goals,2 assists,and was a -4.
I have been a Leaf fan since 1960. Seen many of the greats who were proud to wear that sweater. Giving in to this kid and his agent is ludicrous. As much as i love the kid trade him.
I think Marners a kid and his parent and agent are running the show. And what they are thinking is "why would we accept anything but a ridiculous overpayment until the season starts"? Even if they love the offer they are getting now, they know a better one will come at that deadline because thats how it worked with Nylander.
I think Marner is a very, very special player. And, I've always been the type of fan who, when I buy a ticket, or merch, I'm paying to see the players, buying because of the players. You know what the best thing an owner can bring to the game? Stay out of the damn way. That's their best contribution to the game. So, I've always wanted players to get as much money as they can. But the reality under the CBA is that there's only so many dollars that can be spent on salaries. I know, I'm wordy. Sorry. But it's complex. We don't even know if any of this info is accurate, and how we, as fans, are being played. But, us fans who, at the end of the day, supply all the money for this to be possible are not enjoying this process one bit.
i think a Marner trade is long overdue.
I know I'm in the minority on this but I think Marner is just as valuable to the leafs as Matthews. The problem for the Leafs is that Dubas WAY overpaid for Matthews. He made Matthews the 2nd highest paid player in the NHL without getting close to max term! This contract still boggles my mind. *** This is not a criticism of Matthews who I think is awesome but a criticism of his contract. All the headaches Dubas is going through with Marner stem from this overpayment.Question: Why didn't Dubas do what the Blackhawks did with Kane and Toews back when they were RFAs - offer them a split of 23% of the cap and have them sign their contracts simultaneously? Could've avoided all this nonsense
Honestly not mad at your argument. Its fair points. But Matthews score goals and plays centre. Its been proven time and time again that if you can score and play centre you will get paid more.
Marner should of signed a 9 million dollar contract for 7-8 years in his home town. Isn't that enough? Just sign it, all Leaf fans are waiting.
Nice video. Maple Leafs can fly high without Marner. Toronto loves him so they are trying hard to get him signed. They may have to Quit playing this game or they will keep having to go thru this again.
@Dan Shields looks like he will sign just after camp starts, that's when the Leafs can allocate LTI reserves. I want him to sign NOW too, but I know he will sign so I am not worried. It's just business and I can't blame him, you are only young once.
@Jim Davis If he does want to play in Toronto should he not be open to a home town because does his endorsements more than make up for the salary he has what is more than 12 endorsements. If it is not Mitch wanting so much is it then GREEDY DAD AND AGENT.
You must be joking, Marner drives this team. He's incredibly talented and smart. He will sign because he is a hometown boy and doesn't want to play anywhere else.
Was hoping it was a offer sheet
This has to get done by the post-season the latest and if not then Dubas needs to go to plan B. I am confident he will pick one out of the the three that is currently on the table. I agree it should be minimum 6 years.
@Matt Sullivan I got it thanks
@America News Clips oh wow and we thought the nylander signing took too long. Hahaha sorry I meant pre-season.
Matt the Post season is the Playoffs, you mean by the regular season?
Matthews better win a Maurice Richard trophy or two over the next five years, or he will have been overpaid.
Matthews goals per game is amongst the highest in the league, he's going to be healthy this year; and he's going to terrify goaltenders across the league. Matthews should win the Maurice Richard Trophy a few times in his career. I think regardless how much Hardware he wins, if he's a top5 goal scorer the Leafs will have a great shot at winning it all. Top10 goal scorer every year, over next 5years. 200goals plus the Leafs will have drafted and invested well. I'd be shocked to the core if a Healthy Matthews doesn't score 40goals+ in every season he plays until he's 30years old, I'd still bet on him to do it again; until he doesn't. Personal accomplishment trophies are great accolades, they aren't the beginning and end all of a players abilities and contributions. Prediction 55-60goals for Matthews this year. Leads the Leafs in Goals, PPG, GWG and Points.
Joe Slater guys the best pure 5 on 5 goal scorer in the league. A shoe in for 40 a year easy. 11.6 will soon look like a cheap deal
Marner lead the leafs in points, assists, power play points, plus minus among forwards, tied for the lead in short handed points, highest faceoff %, tied for second in game winning goals AND he kills penalties at an elite level. Go through each team and see what other players contribute to their respective teams to this degree and use that to decide what he's worth. Placing a value on somebody takes more thought than many of you are capable of. "He's a RW, you can't pay him more than 10 bucks because Cs do most of the work out there. Everybody knows that."
He is not the highest at face off .. he was also 4 th in goals per game
Mitch Marner, love you man. Please sign. 😂 This is my thought everyday.
a 10 mil per year deal for a winger who has had 1 excellent year of NHL (assisted and pumbed by Tavares) would be a huge mistake for the GM. His future contract shouldn't be compared to the two centers in Toronto. The roles are different and do have different values as default. Marner will get his money, but it will be less than you think
Brad Marchant gets 6.12 mil per year
You are forgetting that Marner fills two roles. How much would you pay an elite winger? How much would you pay and elite penalty killer? Add those two numbers together.....that's what he should be paid. Find another elite winger who kills penalties besides Brad Marchand. Find an elite forward at any position that kills penalties at an elite level. Good luck.
If those are the numbers.... I'd rather have kadri back....and would have traded mitch for a solid D man with some term, and some picks....
Its funny how Brad Marchands trolling last post-season is becoming true! Mitch is the most over-rated player in the league right now. Auston Matthews does it by himself, while Marner expects 10 million for 3 years having Tavares boast his point total by 25 points???
I'm not a Leafs fan, but they must sign 94 pt. young player. Then trade Nylander. Need D and gritty wingers.
Why haven't more people/media talked about this! They both had career years playing together
Players always come in heavy.Just because he asks for 10 million per over 3 years doesnt mean he expects to get it.However it gives you a balllpark figure.Even say 9.5 x 3 is much too high
Matthews played with two AHL guys. Manner played with Tavares and remember Tavares had almost the exact same points the year before in Long Island as he got last year with Mitch. So Mitch did nothing for JT. Manner is the one who had a better year then the season before. I don’t wanna talk bad about Mitch I love him but he’s not Matthews not even close
8.9 for 6 years is fair. I wouldnt go over 9 million
Good job Andrew!
they can't sign Marner to 3 years at $10 million.. when that contract is up and he is due a raise the Leafs are screwed
what are the chances that Marner sits out the season due to contract negotiations ?
mark13hazard No chance
in the last 3 years tavares, matthews and marner didnt get 1 pts per game average and didnt win anything but tavares got 11m ,matthews 11,6 and marner will probably have around 10m if you had nylander at 8m you dont need to be a brain surgeon to see that the gm overpaid them all and try to save face with marner. bad management.overpaid tavares by 1m matthews 1.5m nylander1.5 m.
We are changing the environment here in Toronto. We expect players to take pay cuts because the team is more valuable than the individual. If players want to be rich TO is not the place for them. We want winners. Dedicated winners. - paraphrased speech from Shanahan that turned to shit lol. $ talks bullshit walks.
The salaries for top "stars" is getting way out of proportion with the total team salary. This 10M per star is just not going to work when the total is 81+ Million for the whole 23 man roster! The Leafs have a ridiculous amount of $700,000+ players which are getting the NHL minimum wage basically. It's not just the Leafs but the league economics are screwed up.
I personally think its going to be a 4 year deal your guess is as good as mine with all the negotiations where theyre going to land on AAV. I personally still think hes gunna get 9.25 on a 4 year deal. 4/37M with how far apart talks are seeming I personally think their not getting up in the 6-7-8 year term. Just to rich for Dubas if theyre wanting that much. Didnt the league sign a huge broadcasting deal at some point last year or something. Shouldnt that have bumped the revenue therefor bumping the cap?? Not lowering (the projected cap)
The cap raised 1.5 mil
Hi, we don't agree on much and I mean this in a friendly way. I think you are missing the point of Marner offering to sign for 3 years at 10. He doesn't want a 3 year deal. When Dubas offered Matthews a bridge Matthews offered to sign for 3 years for 9. Neither thought that was a deal the Leafs would take but it was the amount of money they wanted to take an unacceptable term. Marner isn't going to sign until right before camp. He has no reason to. If camp finishes and he isn't signed then it is time to rant and rave. I will join you. For now, try to enjoy your summer.
Totally agree! Great vid!
A bridge deal wouldnt be a good idea but i think thats what mitchs camp is looking for given past rumours ...marners a type of guy that doesnt mind proving his worth and betting on himself ... thats what i think the hold up is ...
Exact same emotions as you Andrew
This is what I was scared of when Matthews singed his 5 year. They should of done both of these guys at the same time
Marner refused to talk during the season, so again marners fault.
Get it done Kyle, please.
Devils advocate: Nikita Kucherov didn’t have 94 points at the end of his entry level
Erkadurk 47 marner isn’t coming off a bridge deal. He’s coming off his ELC
Great video 👍
Marner offered 3 contracts and none of them are $12.5M per year?
Does he get those points if he's not with Taveras? He's not worth that much maybe actually win something before you demand that kinda coin
@Johnny Nitsopoulos never said he's a jerk not at all. If he wants to leave that would be a huge loss to the leafs. If he had a couple of cups then he's worth every penny. That's a lot of coin he's asking for and they haven't got past the 1st round. I am hoping it works for Mitch and the Leafs want to see him in the blue and white forever
Chris Kinney so he should do it because taveres did ? Wow ur right marner is such a jerk !! Not!!! Its Ridiculous !!! He is a millionaire already just from side deals so he should take less because fans think so. Maybe he’s looking to leave and play somewhere else
@Johnny Nitsopoulos really because of all the cups he's won right. Listen iam totally a fan of Mitch but Taveras left money on the table to play here. Just saying maybe Mitch isn't quite there yet
Its the other way around pal
Chris Kinney j0n 74v3r4s
Who cares about how many points a player gets relative to his position ,comparing all these players to come to some kind of number for a contract For each player, I think marner is the straw that stirs the leafs,he makes everyone better,very unselfish and he's probably 3yrs away from his prime,dont blow this leafs,your future depends on it!
@Rick Robitaille He has a professional agent, but I would bet his father gets involved too! I agree with you Rick.
@Ron Bonora Sounds about what I feel,don't need Mathews marner's term in simutainiy and never thought fathers are best agents,can be conflict in emotional interests, remember Clark,lindros fiasco,no team likes father as agent,need to be professionally represented, no emotional baggage brought to negotiations
@Rick Robitaille I say 10.1 per season for either 4 or 6 years. There is always a chance that it will not happen, but I think it is less than say 15 percent. I sure hope he signs! But I hope that his agent and father don't get too greedy! He will not have the same length term as Austin. I think Austin is 5 years.
@Ron Bonora So just throw a hypothetical number out there ,what do you gestimate terms of contract will look like when its said and done,and do you think there's a chance that it doesn't happen?
@Rick Robitaille Remember, no player comes before the Team!
I agree with yu.. way too much money...
At this point if I’m Dubas he’s gotta lay out the 3 offers to the Marner camp and tell him to pick one or sit out. This is just getting ridiculous and he is not worth what he thinks he is. He’s not Matthews and does not play center. Dubas has to be more firm and can’t give in to player demands.
As a hockey fan my whole life.......and as a marner fan.....take a look at all of his assist.....he assisted to goal scorers.....you can have almost any 1 making them passes.....but you need that goal scorer to make mariners assist an assist.....otherwise it’s just a SOG....you don’t need to pay your playmakers that much money. Tons of cheap RW that can pass the puck for a hell of a lot cheaper than what he’s asking.
Think it’s time for another video on Marner have u heard the insane rumours on Marner the Islanders 91 million 7 years that’s Ridiculous hope Marner does not take it and hope the Canucks Don’t offer leafs that trade
You can try to compare Kuch and Marner but they are not the same player. Kuch is purely offensive. As good as it gets. Marner is elite offensively. Marner is elite defensively. There is only one player with better overall numbers considering elite scorers who kill penalties. Brad Marchand. Brad and Mitch have TOI comparable with the other elite scorers but that is only because you haven't subtracted the TOI killing penalties.
he needs to sign max years to get 10,mill .
Leafs hold all the cards. Let him sit. Mitch will never recoup the lost salary while sitting. Problem is the fans don't have the stomach for it. Marner will get his 11 million but at what cost to the team? His agent is likely heavily influencing Marner. Who can't live on 10 million/yr? Lots of really good players making less. The leafs screwed their whole salary structure with the Matthews contract. Big mistake. This team lost in the first round of the playoffs and Matthews didn't step up.
Just trade the greedy diva, he’ll just do what his agent and his daddy decide anyways.
It’s gonna be okay
Probably will take until training camp.
Hope he doesn’t except it bye Marner god riddens
He better sign one of em
Rumour has that ,he is jealous of Mathews..its personal
Trade home off save the money for next season cuz leafs are not going win the cup 2020 OK get great players for him he not worth the wrap should take 7 years at 11 or it move on to some other team good luck Mitch
You don’t pay a guy who’s never scored 30 goals to 11 million dollar deal sorry love Mitch reffed him once when he was much younger obviously and he’s damn good but he was a 65 70 pt guy with out JT, Marner needs a new agent, period
10.616 for 6 years
He’s to greedy
11.5 for 7 years...here's why the Toronto maple leafs are one of richest team. And it will screw most every team, just think of the waves it would make....GO LEAFS GO!
Just trade him
Hey how do you hang your jerseys on the wall?
I think mitch should say 4 years @ 9.4 million
And this is only cuz no.1 else took a discount
Mitch won't be getting $10M for 3 seasons they'll sit him or trade him. His stance has been quite unreasonable and like yourself I love the guy too. They can force feed him a 2 year deal and tell him sorry we can't come to terms we will let an arbitrator decide your value or you can sit. We won't what happened with Willy happen last year happen this season. We've done everything we can to accommodate you and you just seemingly don't want to work with us and we want players who want to be here and sorry to say your actions aren't the actions of someone who really wants to be here and as good as you are that's just not acceptable to us and that one way or another we're going to get a deal done.
Ya crosby just said that it only works if everyone takes a discount
What is it with you and thinking Marner should take a 3 year deal and end as a RFA after the leafs gave both Matthews and Nylander deals that bring them to UFA,
First off im not a leaf fan at all , I just don't understand how leaf fans r saying he's only worth less than 9 bridge deal or not ! Then Mathews is brought up and yes great numbers he had but I forget who was their LEADING scorer ??? My point is I wish he was on my team , I truly believe he's going to get even better ! Put it this way Marner is the 1st leaf I've liked since Wendell C.
When does training camp start?
John Arsenault mid to late September I think
Greed rules all!
10 million for a undersized winger, who has never scored more than 60 points and 20 goals without Tavares is stupid. Matthews does it on his own and he plays centre.
@DA S If im a nerd dosnt that make me smarter than you?
@Jer Wally Nerd, tell you what lets see what the guys that run the Hockey team think? The 10-11 was a typo and the numbers are approximations. Marner is undersized does not score goals at a premium rate, feeds off the power play and plays the wing. In Hockey top centres are more valuable. If he is worth so much tell me why no other team in the NHL has given an offer sheet? I guarantee you Matthews would get one if he was an RFA.
I also noticed you first said ten and now are mentioning 11 million dollars... Can you count?
@DA S The numbers you stated were incorrect and actually were the complete opposite of reality...
@Jer Wally That's the point they're not 11 million dollars a year numbers. We would be better off with a stud defenseman than a winger.
10.5 million x 7...
Come on what does the what TB give N.K have to do here. TB also gave him 11% off the cap as a Ufa yet leafs gave Matthews 14% off the cap as RFA, this is on the leafs
Shit I will do for a chance to go to Swiss medica in Austria for my movement in my fingers
Alot of it is rumous
Kucherov didnt even get 70 points that year
So 20 point difference means 6 million more dollars? No way
Trade Nylander ASAP...then sign Marner ASAP
Keep both ASAP
Aho getting 8.5 x 5yrs doesnt help the leafs at all
Andrew Piluk Hockey i think 9 x 3 is fair
Well he thinks he is 😂
ARusso22TV Hes not lol Aho had 10 less points then Marner playing with worse players and he plays centre. Marner shouldn’t be getting much more at all.
Andrew Piluk Hockey because Marner thinks hes the best RFA right now
How thats a fantastic contract. The Leafs would pay that for Marner but they want 4 or 6 years not 5.
good video . i think the number you give us are right. i believe the difference between both party is about 1,5 to 2m. were our opinions differ is on who is right . i think marner is worth 10m for 3 years thats about 12 percent off the cap compare to 14.66 percent, at the signature, for matthews making him one the highest paid in the nhl.
@Dan Shields and what did they do to matthews . thats their own fault .tavares and matthews are overpaid.they didnt win anything yetand tavares had is best season playing with marner they help each other it is not one sided.i understand it looks outrageous but it is what it is .your best two way player your best points scorer 2 years in the row the11 best points scorer in the league and the coach go to guy should be the third highest paid on the team thats not acceptable ,thats what marner camp is selling and for me their not wrong.
After one year of playing with one of the best centers in the league putting up impressive numbers he has yet to win anything ie awards getting out of the first round and you want to back the Brinks truck up to his front door and just throw the money at him. If you give him that now what the hell are you going to give him in three years.
Time to move on from this guy...he is not a 10 million dollar player.Trade him for a top D-man or take the first round picks and if that does not happen let him sit out....enough of this crap!!!!
Let him sit.
The Leafs that won their last cup were making peanuts.
That's completely irrelevant.
Marner is not worth anything over 8 on any deal. Funny thing is because Doogie is a complete tool he has artificially inflated what his contract will end up being. By signing JT, overpaying AM on a terrible contract term wise and the fiasco of Nylanders deal Marner has every right to demand an identical contract to AM. Why should Marner take less when Dubas prioritized JT and AM. As for the ability to sign him now, even with ltir the most the leafs can offer now and be cap compliant before the season is inder 10 mill. Bottom line when a player sees what has transpired around him he has every right to ask for AM money. Why do people keep saying AM is so much better? He is lacking what top centres bring, playmaking and defense. Leaf fans need to realize how bad of a gm Dumbass really is.
Okay by your logic no one in the NHL should be making more the Sidney Crosby
Freddy StellyMarner No. Different time. Different percentage of the cap. At the time Crosbys deal was huge. Now it isn’t. My logic is that Marner is asking for too much and there is plenty to back that up. I love the guy but 10 mill for 3 years is stupid high.
Hey Marner!, maybe we will gut the entire team and give you 81 million per year, and you can put your name on the front of the jersey!... it will suck winning games but hey!, your rich as f@ck...kinda dumb comment i know but, making a point
This wont go on to Decmeber like the last time because as it was with Nylander the cap hit of the first year of the contract gets inflated.The Leafs dont have the cap room as they did last season to make that work.No the Leafs will give their best offer before the season starts.
Bunch of crap, who's writing the cheque? End of day reality is fans pay with their heart , cheer, cry, whinge, but still no cup to drink out of!!!
You want him to take less money then hes worth ..Wow But you love him .. And fans have their underwear to tight these days .
Marner is worth 7 mil for 3 years, all these estimate's are way to high, they also over estimated Nylanders.
Your marner picture is killing my OCD
Are you kidding me?? 11mil is a max they can offer him. Why even have an agent, I can get him 11 mil a season. You hire an agent to do the best for you not the team. 12.5 mil or nothing, someone will pay him 12.5. Mark stone got 9.5... off 11 mil. What a joke.
@Andrew Piluk Hockey why? Mathews got 11.5. Marner has put up more points and played more games in the same time period. Let me guess, because Mathews is a centre right? Lol typical argument from a leafs fan... again this is why you have an agent, I can make the case on a youtube page why he should be paid more than Mathews, I'm sure a agent making millions knows this as well. 10mil bridge is the lowest I'd take if I were his agent.
sirethex Lol he isnt getting 12.5
Marner is better defensively than Mathews. Watch them play head to head & you will agree.
3 years at 10,000 000 sign at the bottom of the line