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  • True North Canadian
    True North Canadian 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yakov Trenin would be a good player for them. Manson as well due to his physicality. As for a backup, Georgiev would be nice, though Reimer would be cool, too.

  • Mig
    Mig 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think you’re overestimating how important a kapanen or Johnsson are to the leafs depth. These guys tread between 2nd and 3rd line, and if Mikheyev is back before the end of the season, that competition for 2nd/3rd line wingers gets even tighter. The leafs can definitely give one of them up and not have their scoring depth significantly weakened, for the purpose of picking up a necessary physical defensive presence. We shouldn’t act like flimsy pushover defense hasn’t been one of the main reasons why the leafs haven’t made a dent in the playoffs

    • Andrew Piluk Hockey
      Andrew Piluk Hockey  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Miguel S Ya I agree but that trade shouldn’t happen with the Oilers.

  • True North Canadian
    True North Canadian 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thtough he will likely not be traded, Nurse would be great due to his size, grit and decent points he puts up

  • Mike Wilkins
    Mike Wilkins 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think the Leafs are more in need of making a move than the Oilers are. I don't think Holland will make a move if he feels approaching the trade deadline that the team is likely to make the playoffs. Dubas won't have that luxury if the Leafs continue being out of a playoff spot. Right now, Dubas' need for a top four D-man is greater than Holland's need for a top six forward. Dubas would really have to SWEETEN the deal one hell of a lot for Holland to be willing to go into the playoffs minus a top four defenseman.

  • lord long march.
    lord long march. 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What about a rent a player? Because of our best defenseman out for the next 33 games maybe.

  • Joey Grossbeak
    Joey Grossbeak 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Kessel (2), Bozak (1) , Gunnarsson (1): 4 Stanley Cup winners. Kadry, Martin, Komarov, more to come? Leaf's make a trade??

  • Norb Lisinski
    Norb Lisinski 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Plus it's ok to dream, lol. That's all us Leaf fans can do

  • Jeff Scott
    Jeff Scott 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oilers have more defenseman available than listed. Larrson may be available as well as Benning, we have Bouchard coming up very soon. I would expect him up with 9 or less games as his contract will still slide, providing Edmonton is in the playoffs. As for Nurse.. it would take Nylander for say.. nurse and a 2nd or maybe JP rights. Edmonton has more depth on right D than left D.

  • Bill Tiffin
    Bill Tiffin 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very much doubt Edmonton will trade any top player. not happening

  • Mark Wilson
    Mark Wilson 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Back up and defenceman, that's it !

  • TRAUMA MAKE🍁BELIEFS
    TRAUMA MAKE🍁BELIEFS 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Oil aint giving up Nurse, dream on...Larsson maybe? It's too early to make this deal, anyway...Holland's said it himself, he'll assess the scenario closer to Feb. 24.
    That's a BIG IF with Anderson, history says the Leafs don't get the goaltending. 3 straight 1st round exits. Bottom line, this is just All-Star break speculation...I don't buy anything like that happening in terms of Nurse or Larsson. Perhaps Larsson in the off season?

    • TRAUMA MAKE🍁BELIEFS
      TRAUMA MAKE🍁BELIEFS 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @MB
      Trade for what...listening to Holland and other knowledgeable people around the organization? Moving forward, why would we move a big, physical, imposing d-man, in the prime of his career, (especially for an unknown component, when considering the all important chemistry quotient?), when we're in playoff contention? Blueline depth is especially paramount when looking down the stretch drive, into the playoffs. It all starts from the back end. You can be regular season sweethearts, running up the scores all day, but when it comes to gritty, take-no-prisoners, playoff hockey, that's a totally different animal. I can definitely see him going in the off season, depending on our results and Bakersfield developments. Personally, I'd stand pat on moving him until then...

    • Andrew Piluk Hockey
      Andrew Piluk Hockey  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mark Belland Dillon is a physical option who is not injury prone and will cost less. Also you can look back on this channel and hear if I had to pick a second favourite team it would be the Oilers. I made that very clear years ago. Marner is not the turnaround player for the Leafs. Thats Nylander.

    • Mark Belland
      Mark Belland 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Andrew Piluk Hockey Questioning your watching the Oil comment. Larsson had a very bad season (for him) last year - attributed to his father passing away unexpectedly. This year he got injured in the 1st game of the season, and upon his return it took 5-8 games for him to get back up to speed. It was like missing training camp. I'm confused how Marner misses camp last year - and now he's the turn around player of the year, but anyone else no love? He is a tough as nails excellent D-man, still relatively young (27) on an excellent contract (1 more year remaining) Can you tell me who your going to pick up that is going to address the Leafs problems and is affordable? I don't see a better option. The question is will Edmonton make the trade.

    • Andrew Piluk Hockey
      Andrew Piluk Hockey  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Gordon Wogberg I watch the Oil. Larsson worked for one season. They made the playoffs and everything was great. I don’t hate Larsson. I actually think he is good. But due to injuries and lack of production it would be tough for the Leafs to take that bet. Especially giving up a sure fire 20 goal scorer. The Leafs can acquire a rough d man for less in Dillon from the Sharks. Apparently the price is a second and a prospect. Which is much cheaper then a Kapanen.

    • TRAUMA MAKE🍁BELIEFS
      TRAUMA MAKE🍁BELIEFS 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Obviously you don't follow The Oil...they're my team, I know the scenario. We moved Hall for several reasons; contract, WE NEEDED A RUGGED SHUTDOWN D-MAN, BADLY! + Hall was cancerous in the room and around the city. Chairelli was trading from a HAVE TO scenario, as a new GM, cleaning up after Lowe's Decade of Darkness. Not only is Ken Holland a much more savvy GM, he'd be trading from a position of strength and not desparation. Larsson has much more value than you think...a big, experienced, hard-nosed defenseman.

  • Sweety
    Sweety 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    1st year that the Leafs core has been signed, just keep building. Leafs are the top scoring team in the League, if they get the goals against down to 2.50 on the season. Leafs are going to win 50games every year. Giving up offense, to bring in a dman could be just shooting yourself in the foot. If he does keep the puck out of the net, the goals you gave up in that player will cost you games/points/division rank/home-ice and maybe even a playoff spot. Leafs don't need to go all in this year, Leafs will offer players that are expendable. Breaking up the core that was just signed this year, is just stupid. Throwing away being the top offensive team in the League, for a defenseman with little to no offensive up side; in hope to bring the GAA down isn't good team management. Leafs need to continue developing the guys we have, talented cheap player's that have a loyalty to the Club. The team that drafted them, developed them and gave them a chance to be NHL players. Go LEAFS Go!! Keep on building, I'd love to win this year; but not at the expense of losing core players. Leafs can alway go free agency, Muzzin and Ceci are gone next year; that's 8Million in Cap. Leafs could grab one or two Defensemen, and once again we bring in quality players; and it doesn't cost the Leafs any assets. If we had traded for Tavares, it would have cost the Leafs dearly. Thank you free agency. I'd love another bite or two of that Apple.

  • Derek Paddon
    Derek Paddon 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just dont see Edmonton and Toronto hooking up here. Edmonton cant afford to give up any of their young defencmen. However I see the oilers doing it cause theyre dumb like that. theyve been making moves that help one spot and ruin aNother. ex they wanted defence they killed their offence doing it.
    Both teams are much better to find a way to dump salary and use their picks and prospects to add.. not subtract to add.

    • 49wolfen
      49wolfen 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Maybe back when Chiarelli ran the team

  • Jeremee Gartner
    Jeremee Gartner 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Leafs could always backup the Brinks truck for Petro ! 🤔 😂😂😂😂

  • Troy Barton
    Troy Barton 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It would be funny if it happens and Russel gets one of those three guys

  • Frank de Bem
    Frank de Bem 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I heard leafs were working on a trade with Calgary for Sam Bennett and TJ Brodie!

    • Wicked Ozma
      Wicked Ozma 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bong Rippy right!!! You’re going to tell me not 1 single team is interested in having and signing Barrie,especially if they have cap going back to Toronto signing him to that “8” million he wants per year will be doable.(example: Barrie for ekholm from the preds) not realistic to some but not impossible.Barrie is great but we have a player like that his name is Captain Morgan and get rid of Ceci for anything.... give em a draft pick for their inconvenience lol.

    • Jim Burden
      Jim Burden 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Bong Rippy Kyle Dubas ( Lisa Simpson) Hates role players and shut down defense man poor Lisa Simpson

    • Jim Burden
      Jim Burden 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Emma Lawlor For who? For a pack of donuts and a used hockey puck

    • Joe R
      Joe R 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Bong Rippy Not to mention if you trade Kapanen and JT or Matthews gets injured who plays Centre, Nylander. Ok so who takes right-wing? What if Marner or Nylander get hurt. Again who plays wing?

    • Eric Benevides
      Eric Benevides 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's pretty fair but honestly I think I would prefer kappy and that deal has to come with a Brodie extension

  • Joshua Disotell
    Joshua Disotell 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    leafs GM is testing the waters they have been looking at good two-way D-men.

  • Margaret’shouse
    Margaret’shouse 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Trade the entire leaf team for mcdavid!!
    Seriously

  • Richard Kulig
    Richard Kulig 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nurse would be at a premium
    Worth trading Johnsson and Bracco
    For Nurse
    Larsson sure oilers want to dump him
    Bracco tops
    They already dumped Marincin here
    And we are stupid enough to resign him
    As for Flames
    Brodie/ Bennett
    I’d rather get Hamonic/Bennett
    We would get balls and grit with these two

  • Epic Hunter
    Epic Hunter 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The Oilers are not trading nurse maybe Larsson to make room for Bouchard

    • Rod2970
      Rod2970 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Toronto maple leafs lol wow

    • GoAuston Goleafs
      GoAuston Goleafs 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lol yea go trade with La kings. I don't know who started the rumour that the leafs and oilers wanted a trade. I'm tired of hearing your stupid offers. Go get Taffoli and stop bugging us

    • Rod2970
      Rod2970 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Toronto maple leafs no need to insult me. U need to grow up and act like an adult. I didn't take a shot at kapanen. I am allowed to have my own opinion u know. Plus defensemen are much more valuable than wingers. Especially when u are talking about top 4 d. Why make that trade when a player like toffoli would me much cheaper. It makes no sense from the oilers side of it imo. Kapanen may have got 24 goals last year but chaisson also had 22 does that mean he's a top winger ??

    • Rod2970
      Rod2970 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Definitely not gonna trade nurse for kapanen. Leafs would have to give more than that. As an oiler fan I would like to have kapanen there but not for that price. It makes no sense for the oilers to trade nurse for a bottom 6 winger (possibly 2nd line in certain situations but not top line like the video suggests) the oilers d isn't great to start with so by making them weaker would be a dumb move unless u get a legit top pairing winger in return and kapanen isn't that

  • Jim Burden
    Jim Burden 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Can't see Dubas doing much no cap money to improve the defense, no money for role players or a good back up.
    Toronto could be golfing in the middle of April I won't be surprised I am used to disappointment is what it is exciting and entertaining hockey but no will to win. Cough up Bear

    • Alan Taylor
      Alan Taylor 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Andrew Piluk Hockey I don’t think some people know how trades work

    • Andrew Piluk Hockey
      Andrew Piluk Hockey  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      They actually could have up to 4 million in space. Watch Chris Johnstons report from a couple weeks ago. They can manipulate the cap with LTIR. They also can trade Ceci to remove 4.5 million.

  • John Laurean
    John Laurean 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If dubie makes a move it should b soon cuz longer yu wait the less talent available.....

  • Michael Bannister
    Michael Bannister 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What would you think of jesse p joining the Leafs?

    • Don Corleone
      Don Corleone 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      He can be moved at any time actually.
      The thing is he is locked up for the year overseas. So you could trade for him now but he wouldnt help until next year at the earliest.

    • Andrew Piluk Hockey
      Andrew Piluk Hockey  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      We cant

    • TRAUMA MAKE🍁BELIEFS
      TRAUMA MAKE🍁BELIEFS 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      He can't be moved until the off season, anyway

    • Keep ups15
      Keep ups15 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      We have to many forwards

  • Steve Donovan
    Steve Donovan 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    No! Leaf fans are always claiming that the Leafs and Oilers are going to make a "big" trade.

  • Supermike 1999
    Supermike 1999 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    6:29. Lol that's what was said last year for the leafs. We only rely on skill and goal scoring. I'm sorry to say if that's your mentality gong into the playoffs again I'd get the golf clubs ready for the leafs.

  • Tom Dixon
    Tom Dixon 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Leafs need a big defenseman and a goalie.

  • Harles5000 Chembetrayals
    Harles5000 Chembetrayals 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tronna needs a goalie! Smithers perhaps!

  • STONE
    STONE 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Oilers don't have what the Leaf's need, Leaf's need a Older big tough Defenceman points not important, good passing ability.

    • GoAuston Goleafs
      GoAuston Goleafs 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @DEVILS REJECT Laugh Laugh. If its been so long how has nobody caught up to us yet?

    • GoAuston Goleafs
      GoAuston Goleafs 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @DEVILS REJECT That is probably the worst joke I have seen in my lifetime. I have nver heard of someone who made such a boring unoriginal joke

    • DEVILS REJECT
      DEVILS REJECT 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @GoAuston Goleafs cant answer my question cause you cant remember last time they won a cup buhahahaha

  • John 1721
    John 1721 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Leaf's management have to trade one of those big contract's and not Mathew's

    • ICEBREAKERS
      ICEBREAKERS 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ray Boutilier I would say Tavares would be the best person to trade if they could get a trade for a good young center like(Hischier, Monohan,etc.) and a defensemen it would be perfect

  • Quebec Sucks
    Quebec Sucks 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    good post, do not rush, take your time...and the team will not rush a trade...a stay at home D and a G would be nice...stay the course, eye on the prize...go leafs go

  • Brian Watson
    Brian Watson 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    should be interesting few weeks talk again brian

  • Don Corleone
    Don Corleone 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I stopped listening when he said Russel is not a good dman.
    He would help the leafs tremendously right now. I'm not saying hes worth the moon or anything but he is definitely a solid depth Dman that can play second pair when guys like Reilly are injured.

    • Don Corleone
      Don Corleone 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Andrew Piluk Hockey ohh I listened to what you said. I've even repeated with quotation Mark's what you said. Perhaps it's you that is need of reading comprehension skills as you've been suggesting that I've said multiple things I havent.
      You even just went and said it again. "Russell is not good" is your exact words. That is false statement. You want to bring up stats, go ahead. I can bring up stats too that show Russell is good and better that Ceci too. Stats aren't everything. Fact of the matter is Russell is good, you dont become a veteran in the NHL if your not. Furthermore he would be the Leafs 2LD right now. Which would help them.
      No where have I said hes worth Kapanen or the Leafs should trade for him or Dillon is worst or Russell's contract is great
      All these things you imply without reading what I'm saying. Do you understand or do you want to keep beating this dead horse?

    • Andrew Piluk Hockey
      Andrew Piluk Hockey  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Don Corleone Im speaking from Oilers fans logic if you actually watched the video. Oilers fans were suggesting Kapanen for Russell. Listen to what I said before you comment. Russell is not good. There are stats to prove it. He would be good depth at like 1.5 million but he costs too much.

    • Don Corleone
      Don Corleone 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Andrew Piluk Hockey well the thing about that is that you dont always get what you want. Secondly im not saying the leafs should go after Russel, just that hes not "not a good player" as you suggested. Furthermore it's funny you think Russell is worst than Dillon but would cost more to acquire. Not sure where you get that logic from.

    • Andrew Piluk Hockey
      Andrew Piluk Hockey  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Don Corleone Thats why Russell wouldn’t help. When there is far better options you don’t get someone who is less of a talent. Especially one that would be at poor cost.

    • Don Corleone
      Don Corleone 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Andrew Piluk Hockey when did I say Dillon is not the better option?

  • Saul T. Nutz
    Saul T. Nutz 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ceci needs to go

  • Jim Burden
    Jim Burden 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Larsson so overrated an average defense man at best

    • TRAUMA MAKE🍁BELIEFS
      TRAUMA MAKE🍁BELIEFS 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Kiddie smack

    • Kurdem03
      Kurdem03 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      How in the hell is he overrated

    • Keep ups15
      Keep ups15 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Gordon Wogberg ohh your team must be soo good. You guys must have soo many more cups than us right is were overrated. You won the draft lottery so many times and still don't even have a good team

    • TRAUMA MAKE🍁BELIEFS
      TRAUMA MAKE🍁BELIEFS 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The Leafs are ONLY overrated by The Centre of the Universe...the rest of the NHL know's about 1967 & 3 straight, 1st round exits.

  • tinygunner1
    tinygunner1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Larsson and puljarvi and a pick 4 matthews.. they benched him at all stars for a reason

  • TML
    TML 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well they better do something because if leafs dont make playoffs it would be a huge disappointment and fans will want dubas's head on a pitch fork ..

  • Gro Pro
    Gro Pro 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Will give ya Larson and a 3rd for Matthews

    • Keep ups15
      Keep ups15 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Yeg'r Wouldn't every team want Mcdavid. Also I was being sarcastic. Larson for Matthews is sarcastic so I was being Sarcastic

    • Yeg'r
      Yeg'r 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Keep ups15 theres the true face of leafs fans they all secretly want mcdavid

    • Keep ups15
      Keep ups15 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Will give you a seventh and Nylander for McDavid retaining 50%

  • steve rogal
    steve rogal 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Kerfoot is a centerman

    • steve rogal
      steve rogal 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@Andrew Piluk Hockey I would have no issue seeing him leave,Kadri is way better

    • Andrew Piluk Hockey
      Andrew Piluk Hockey  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      He has played wing a lot this year.

  • Aarish
    Aarish 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Agree no thanks don’t want Adam Larson

    • GoAuston Goleafs
      GoAuston Goleafs 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Robert Longwill With the Larsson trade I was being sarcastic. But since how stupid Edmonton is I think they would say yes

  • Domenic Commisso
    Domenic Commisso 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Leafs are going nowhere with Freddie Anderson. He’s not gonna steal a game in the playoffs. Also the defence is piss poor

  • Harris The Polaris
    Harris The Polaris 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Kappy and ceci for nurse, you heard it here first

    • Harris The Polaris
      Harris The Polaris 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Kappy and McDavid would be fucking deadly with their speed.....
      AND nurse would be a great fit for Toronto. Goood defensive, physical.

    • Ryan Graham
      Ryan Graham 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      No one is taking ceci's contract at 5 million for a 3rd pair defensemen. It would be awesome though.

    • Will Sk
      Will Sk 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      As a leafs fan that aint enough. Gotta be Kappy, Dermott, Ceci, Bracco and maybe a 2nd.

  • Joshua Mccabe
    Joshua Mccabe 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nurse would be sick on the leafs a hole lote of grit right there

    • Corey Henry
      Corey Henry 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Don Larson it will definitely all depend on how he does down the stretch and hopefully through the playoffs but he is getting 5 for sure but could see him being a dominating force in a series physically

    • go4a24
      go4a24 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Corey Henry I like Nylander and he is a different player than Kappy, Nylander is better but not by much. I would pull the trigger for Nylander to get Nurse

    • Corey Henry
      Corey Henry 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      go4a24 kapanen doesn’t get it done in my mind he’s good I love his game but he’s just not enough of a return
      Nylander makes the most sense to the oilers he just does

    • Corey Henry
      Corey Henry 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      go4a24 nurse has 1 more year at 3.2 then he is rfa
      I don’t know why people are talking about trading him he’s my favourite Oiler, I want him on my team for his whole career but he will be a 7+ mil defenceman in the next contract the team need to open a spot on the roster for a young player to graduate next year probably Bouchard
      Ideally next years oilers defence looks like
      Klefbom bear
      Nurse Bouchard
      Jones benning
      Which means they move both Russell and larrson which definitely are the 2 lowest producing blue liners on the team but there’s a valid argument that Russell has been the most consistent And larrson has been very up and down since his father passed away which is totally understandable but the nature of the beast is he is an expensive veteran with younger players ready to take a spot

    • go4a24
      go4a24 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Corey Henry I don't see the Oilers trading Nurse especially for Kapanen. however Kapanen would be on the Oilers first line. I would do Nylander straight up for Nurse though but I don't know Nurses contract

  • David Lahn
    David Lahn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Stop this trade nonsense, the Leafs are flawed desperately this year along with the point system in the NHL. 4 pts out of 3rd in Division and 3 pts in Conference WC race. When you are trailing results like tonight happen. Fla, Car, Phi win, CLB tomorrow, all these teams are slightly better than Toronto. It takes two weeks to gain 4 points with this asinine point system even if you are playing well. Why trade talent, it's over. Go to Florida in a month and watch baseball. Leafs need to go 25-8 to even have a chance. Hopefully Dubas/Shanahan are smart enough to park the pressure history of old Leaf GM's folding to media and public demands for trades and stay the course on the Shanny plan, which is in year 4. Stand pat MLSE. Cup will come.

    • Andrew Piluk Hockey
      Andrew Piluk Hockey  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      David Lahn Its not over lol why waste time watching hockey if you give up at the midway point. A few losses from other teams and a few wins from the Leafs put them right back in.

  • Cereal_ Killer
    Cereal_ Killer 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    If Connor McDavid joins the Toronto Maple Leafs, we would be stacked, Connor and Auston together oof we would win the cup

    • GoAuston Goleafs
      GoAuston Goleafs 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Amy Brum Matthews would want to go to the worst team and worst market ever

    • Amy Brum
      Amy Brum 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      In 5 years, if Matthews leaves to go home to Arizona and if the oilers aren't steady cup contenders then you could see mcdavid signing in Toronto. If Matthews stays then no chance. I think the Tavares signing got mcdavid thinking. If Matthews goes home then it might bring up more ideas in mcdavid head

  • Keep ups15
    Keep ups15 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    no no no no. I'm not gonna give Kerfoot or Kapanen for Nurse or Larsson. Maybe Klefbom… If you don't think Johnsson kappy and Kerfoot are good then don't trade. I know dubas isn't dumb

    • Keep ups15
      Keep ups15 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @49wolfen and we are still the second highest in stanley cups? Wow u teams must suck

    • 49wolfen
      49wolfen 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Keep ups15 Leafs haven't won the cup in 52 years lol

    • Keep ups15
      Keep ups15 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Kurdem03 the only reason we haven't won is because our gm's think that leaf fans will always cheer for the leafs. Therefor they really don't care how good the team is:(

    • Keep ups15
      Keep ups15 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Kurdem03 Yea ok I'n just being you Edmonton fans who thing johnsson is worth nothing and kassian is worth Crosby. Your entire organization is a bust. You guys should have at least 5 more cups from the last decade.

  • Nik
    Nik 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wouldn’t mind if we traded Larson but I don’t want to trade nurse

    • Keep ups15
      Keep ups15 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I wouldn't mind trading johnsson but not kappy or kerfoot

  • Norb Lisinski
    Norb Lisinski 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I wouldn't mind seeing Nurse here. Kill two birds with one stone by adding some D and sandpaper

    • Cheech Dubinsky
      Cheech Dubinsky 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Norb Lisinski The Laughs had Gretzky, all they had to do was pay him (think it was like 7-8M or less)

    • 49wolfen
      49wolfen 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Norb Lisinski if Toronto wanted him they would've gotten him but Gretzky wanted to play in LA after the Peter Pocklington debacle

    • 49wolfen
      49wolfen 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @MH S so in other words he DID NOT play in Toronto

    • MH S
      MH S 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      49wolfen Gretzky wanted to come to Toronto after his brief stint with St. Louis but Leafs didn’t want him because at the time they were loaded at center and didn’t want to pay Gretzky’s huge contract.

    • Norb Lisinski
      Norb Lisinski 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Different league back then. Players couldn't dictate terms like they can now. Besides it was better he went to LA to popularize hockey in the southern States. It did wonders to grow the game

  • bigmouthpiece1
    bigmouthpiece1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Craig button brought up Josh Manson on leafs lunch today.does Kapinen Johnson &Bracco get you Manson &a4th. ???

    • Andrew Piluk Hockey
      Andrew Piluk Hockey  2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      bigmouthpiece1 You are getting rid of two good wingers and one of your best prospects. They cant trade Johnsson and Kapanen. Only one. So if that doesn’t get Manson they won’t make that trade.

    • bigmouthpiece1
      bigmouthpiece1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not if it gets the leafs in to the final four of the play offs

    • Andrew Piluk Hockey
      Andrew Piluk Hockey  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      bigmouthpiece1 Thats way too much for Manson.

  • Dallas McQuarrie
    Dallas McQuarrie 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Chris Russell??? You've got to be kidding. Leafs need him like they need another injury.

    • Dallas McQuarrie
      Dallas McQuarrie 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @CreepyRobsta He can put on jersey that says 'Gretzky' and the Leafs still don't want him.

    • Andrew Piluk Hockey
      Andrew Piluk Hockey  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      CreepyRobsta Ya Kris is the guy we are taking about. He spelt it wrong. Not me lol

    • CreepyRobsta
      CreepyRobsta 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nope wrong guy its Kris!

    • Andrew Piluk Hockey
      Andrew Piluk Hockey  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dallas McQuarrie I dont want him either lol

  • J
    J 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Kris Russel is your guy. Dman have huge value.

  • Reid Austin
    Reid Austin 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I WATCH YOUR SHOW ARE YOU AUDITIONING FOR A JOB ON SPORTS NET????

  • YeaLogan
    YeaLogan 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Kassian willl get quote on quote “overlaid”, but he brings more than just offence to the Oilers. He is rough and yes he sometimes takes stupid penalties. I think they should pay him. Don’t fix it if it’s not broke and if he is providing than sign him. Easy decision imo. Maybe he falls off maybe he doesn’t, but I think the oilers take a chance and sign him. What is he going to get paid 3 - 3.5m. What are you thoughts?

    • David Jones
      David Jones 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @YeaLogan His market is somewhere around there. I'd say 2.5 at the lowest. I'd say most clubs would deem him 3rd line quality at this moment in time.. which probably warrants around 3 mil.

    • YeaLogan
      YeaLogan 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Gordon Wogberg I meant his market. I didn’t know his market was that high.

    • TRAUMA MAKE🍁BELIEFS
      TRAUMA MAKE🍁BELIEFS 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      He isn't, his contract is up this year...

    • YeaLogan
      YeaLogan 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      David Jones wow, I didn’t know he was getting paid that much. Yikes

    • David Jones
      David Jones 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      He's gonna get something stupid like 5 mil+.. honestly anything more than 4 is an overpayment. He's probably worth about what you're saying he'll get LOL.. which means his agent will argue for 4.5 or more.. which is definitely overpaying.

  • Peter Burritt
    Peter Burritt 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    they got a goalie,,,,excuse me just because a guy goes to All Star week, doesn't mean he can stop a puck

    • FLGiggles2
      FLGiggles2 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @YeaLogan The team in front of him hang him out to drive a lot.

    • YeaLogan
      YeaLogan 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Keep ups15 agreed

    • Keep ups15
      Keep ups15 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Peter Burritt do you think he ever gets a rest. When you are playing everygame you would get tired

    • Peter Burritt
      Peter Burritt 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @YeaLogan Did I use the word "bad"? No He's been great,
      "stop a puck" is my quote. but true, he's maybe in a slump, and finally the coach is catching up to Babcock. Media ripped the man to shreds, finally coming around to saying key phrases like "it's a 200 foot game", or something like we have to stop pucks going into our net.....if you're gonna quote anyone,,,use the words I use; even though sometimes we speak and click send, before giving a a second thought,,,you've done that for me,,,thank you

    • YeaLogan
      YeaLogan 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Freddys numbers have been good. He has faced the most shots of any goalie since signing with the leafs by a large margin, and has consistently posted 916-918 save percentages. He has bailed us out of multiple situations and just because he has had a pretty bad year (I admit) you think he is bad? No man, Freddy is fine, but unmotivated I think. He has mediocre (if you can call it that) defence and a team that seems to want to chill out more than play hockey sometimes. I’m not an expert, but if you go around saying FREDERIK ANDERSEN is a bad goalie than that’s ignorant.

  • Rodney Pompu
    Rodney Pompu 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    let me get this right you said Chris Russell is not good well Andrew you are not a very smart guy the players you mentioned are not enough in a trade for him what makes you an expert whoever said you were was lying to you

    • Andrew Piluk Hockey
      Andrew Piluk Hockey  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well since you don’t even know how to spell his name correctly I’m pretty sure I’m winning.

  • M Griffin
    M Griffin 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Any of y’all watch Steve Dangle’s videos?

    • wiseonelol25
      wiseonelol25 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      STEVE DANGLE? THE GUY WHO CAN'T EVEN SKATE?! LOL

  • Jordan Graff
    Jordan Graff 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    "RuSsElL sUcKs" ok bud... Leafs dmen don't even play defense

    • Andrew Piluk Hockey
      Andrew Piluk Hockey  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jordan Graff Go to a site called AZ3 player comps. He has worse defensive stats then Cody Ceci over the past 3 years in a lot of categories. Like almost all of them. His defensive play has fallen off a bit.

    • Jordan Graff
      Jordan Graff 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Andrew Piluk Hockey but he actually plays good defense

    • Andrew Piluk Hockey
      Andrew Piluk Hockey  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      He really isnt good.

  • Corey Henry
    Corey Henry 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    LMFAO nurse would cost you guys nylander, you won’t get a top 2 physical defender with offence for a 3rd liner and a pick sorry but you’re clearly reading numbers on a page
    Larson (1 mil retained) + for kappenen

    • Corey Henry
      Corey Henry 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Andrew Piluk Hockey I hear what you’re saying about larrson not being worth kapanen but I also noticed when he got elevated up the line up he struggled to find his role and produce but that probably had more to do with playing off wing,
      In my proposal for this trade I did retain roughly enough that the salaries balance, and mentioned a plus piece going to Toronto probably Tyler benson in my opinion but the oilers have a couple other forward prospects.
      And sure there’s a few teams St. Louis comes to mind that have such high end defense corps that nurse would be second pairing at best but he is a very unique player in the league right now and the idea of trading him sucks but nylander would make it feel better
      But hockey trades don’t happen anymore

    • Andrew Piluk Hockey
      Andrew Piluk Hockey  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Corey Henry Nurse is a top 2 in Edmonton. In Toronto as well but that doesn’t mean the Leafs need to make that move. I suggest not trading with the Oilers because Larsson is not worth Kapanen. Larsson is overvalued because of who he was in a trade with. He is injury prone and his defensive abilities have fallen off a bit.

  • Jim Burden
    Jim Burden 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    McDavid best player in the world ,but no Cup

    • Keep ups15
      Keep ups15 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Creepy yea it was so fun when there was only 6 teams. Then all you bs teams came and ruined it. Now you guys made it so there is barley and fights or rivalries

    • CreepyRobsta
      CreepyRobsta 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah bcuz it so impressive to win when theres only 5 other teams to compete with..lol....now 31 teams is competition!

    • Keep ups15
      Keep ups15 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @CreepyRobsta ok well I guess every team must be stupid accept for Montreal and Detroit because we have 11 cups and nobody is Jealous

    • CreepyRobsta
      CreepyRobsta 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      50 plus years of losing....yep, it`s official all 31 fanbases are jealous!

  • DR. Curious
    DR. Curious 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    First off , leafs aren’t making the playoffs, second no point in wasting any more picks , They do need change , but it’s not going to be a 3 million dollar player that’s going to make a difference with the piss poor blue line , this year is a write off, Freddy won’t be good enough , we lack serious depth , no back up and almost no veteran presence other then JT and the truth is the team is just not good enough.. keep all the picks you can, I don’t buy any BS with the injuries .... all Im Going to say is Pittsburgh... the leafs can’t score the lights out , if that were true they would have a better winning record. This team needs to move on from one person , Dubas needs to go , he is trying to build a team that can’t win , team needs big change, talent with out skill is what we’re seeing with the leafs , this team will never win anything meaningful with 50% of the cap in 4 forwards. The problem is and will be Dubas ... he is learning on the job , the problem with that is the fans are picking up the tab for it.

  • Emma Lawlor
    Emma Lawlor 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can any of you leafs fans see you beating Tampa in a playoff series

    • Keep ups15
      Keep ups15 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @FLGiggles2 i'm saying if CBJs can do it then we can do it

    • Andrew Piluk Hockey
      Andrew Piluk Hockey  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well I mean they got as far as the Leafs last year

    • FLGiggles2
      FLGiggles2 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @dibs0equiped are you saying because TB sucks, or CBJs are great, or exactly what do you mean?

    • Keep ups15
      Keep ups15 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @scooby doo do you remember last year with Columbus?

    • dibs0equiped
      dibs0equiped 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      BJs did it so....Anyone can beat Tampa

  • jigga1981
    jigga1981 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nurse please anything else...I don’t care lol

    • jigga1981
      jigga1981 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Gordon Wogberg now we are talking.....To be honest I seen some stuff floating around how the leafs were interested in Nurse...only reason why I mentioned it.....you said it best anything can happen...do I personally feel trying to acquire Nurse is a good move for the leafs no...Id rather a guy like Dillon from the Sharks...Less penalty minutes and more hits than Nurse and maybe Dell as a backup goalie...And I also like Hamonic over Brodie from the flames...Both defenders would do the leafs justice and provide a physical element which the leafs need...

    • TRAUMA MAKE🍁BELIEFS
      TRAUMA MAKE🍁BELIEFS 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No, experience tells me ANYTHING can happen. Without repeating all of this to death, why would we give up our most valuable d-man? The old, Lowe era miss-management, used to make dopey deals, (don't got to the Chairelli/Hall thing. it's been addressed already). They more than often, wouldn't replace the quality of player they were moving out. A player of Nurse's position/age/abilities is worth LOTS and replacement would be extremely costly!
      Maybe the Leafs have finally figured out, you build a contender from the goaltender out, especially on your blueline. Goalies are far easier to acquire and develop?

    • jigga1981
      jigga1981 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Gordon Wogberg kings ransom...Oilers can get Ceci+Johnsson+a pic and maybe a prospect....you really think they would say no to get a developed prospect like Bracco or even Liljegren with Johnsson and Ceci who would be a rental if anything...man shut up lol 😆

    • jigga1981
      jigga1981 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Kurdem03 listen keep your opinion on the other side...we don’t care what you have to say lol....Go Leafs Go!!!!!

    • jigga1981
      jigga1981 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Gordon Wogberg LoL you sound like a oilers fan that would crap the bed if the oilers traded Nurse to the leafs lol

  • kole1244
    kole1244 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another leaf rider

  • Afzal Hakeen
    Afzal Hakeen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    leafs should trade play-off choker andersen

  • Patrick Leaver
    Patrick Leaver 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Whatever happens Dubas will get hosed.

  • Teejgussytyty Mcleod
    Teejgussytyty Mcleod 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    No one is Taking Ceci

    • Teejgussytyty Mcleod
      Teejgussytyty Mcleod 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Andrew Piluk Hockey I'm a leafs fan. I hope you're right.

    • Andrew Piluk Hockey
      Andrew Piluk Hockey  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Teams have called apparently so idk about that.

  • McDavid Deserves Better
    McDavid Deserves Better 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    We’re not compatible trading partners. Both teams are in cap hell.

    • Andrew Piluk Hockey
      Andrew Piluk Hockey  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      McDavid Deserves Better Leafs actually can make space via LTIR and trading Ceci. Something Chris Johnston brought up a couple weeks ago.

  • Amy Brum
    Amy Brum 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I can't see holland trading nurse. Its ken holland people. Nurse is basically the Morgan Reilly of the oilers. Maybe not as offensively flashy as Reilly but his physicality, and demeanour with his defensive side makes nurse and Reilly's trade value the same. Nurse is as important to the leafs as Reilly is. They have Bouchard coming up next year. If I am ken holland then I am putting my 2020 2'nd round pick, 2021 first round pick, Larsson and russel on the block to see what extra scoring I could get.
    If I was Edmonton then I'd be looking at Tyson barrie. As a leaf fan, the only thing that I'd want in return from Edmonton would be a first round pick. We don't need any bottom 6 forwards from Edmonton, and the only dmen I'd want from Edmonton would be nurse, bear, or Bouchard which Edmonton would be crazy to give up.
    Like holland said, he will make his judgment call closer to the deadline which is very smart of him to do so. If he feels that Edmonton will make the playoffs then he will give up a first round pick. If they starting flopping then he focuses on dumping russel and larssons contract and probably takes a healthy run at barrie in the offseason.
    I doubt barrie would sign a contract right now, but if a sign and trade happens then maybe you could see a bigger trade go down.another thing, if the leafs are out of the playoffs by 6-7 points come trade deadline then Dubas better start thinking of how to get a first round pick back since we gave ours away to Carolina with Marleau.
    If it was up to me, I'd try and save the season starting today. get a dman or two in. Not from Edmonton. I'd look at spurgeon/soucy in Minnesota, Dillon in San Jose, how much is Cernak going to demand in Tampa bay next year as a RFA or would Tampa even consider trading him? I'd do a kapanen for Cernak trade today. Is hainsey available? Use a 2'nd or 3rd, timashov and bracco and see what you can get. I'd also trade Johnsson before kapanen. Maybe Johnsson for Carson Soucy? We just need somebody who is defensive minded and wants to win before padding stats. Throw a check once in a while. Dillon is another muzzin in my opinion. Both have the same defensive awareness and can dish out a hit.
    Get spurgeon/Soucy and Dillon. Trade ceci. When and if we are completely healthy, sandin can stay in the minors and be that emergency call up in case of injuries. Our 7 dmen would be Reilly, muzzin, barrie, Dillon, spurgeon/Soucy, Dermott, and holl. Not bad depth if you ask me. Marincin in the press box and rasmus waiting for a call up. That leaves us carrying 7 dmen and 11 forwards for game 1 if we make the playoffs.
    Imagine this game one
    Hyman Matthews Marner
    Kerfoot Tavares nylander
    Engvall spezza kapanen
    X Gauthier moore
    Reilly Dillon
    Muzzin Barrie
    Dermott Holl
    Spurgeon OR Soucy as number 7
    You have mikeyev, marincin, sandin, marchment ready in case of injury. A dman goes down the we call up marchment unless soup is good to go.

  • Elvis Lives
    Elvis Lives 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Leafs going nowhere ..... until you split up Matthews and Marner .....Marner back with Tavares ....way better chemistry ..... don't be fooled by a few one in a million miracle passes that looked good ....they can't complete 2 passes

    • Elvis Lives
      Elvis Lives 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Andrew Piluk Hockey ...... St. Louis is an anomaly, not the standard ..... you can't use an exception, as ...."the rule"......you're taking things way out of context, and to extremes .... again, nobody said ..."all their good plays are luck" .... where was that said ??? .......what was said was closer to this......"they are highly skilled players so some great plays will happen, but overall, they look out of sync" ..... you need to watch the games ...... and observe and comment without too much emotion and bias .... again remembering i'm huge Leafs fan ...... some stats for you to consider ....... 1) Tavares scored most goals in one season while playing with Marner ....... 2) Marner a personal high in points while with Tavares ....... great players don't always have great chemistry together .....(see Gretzky / Messier....Crosby / Malkin ).......remember, only talking about 5 on 5.....i've made this point before ..... for some reason the comment ...."Matthews and Marner have less chemistry than Tavares and Marner" ....seems to make people angry ...... that's a red flag right there ..... Leafs make a wild card spot at best if Matthews / Marner contiune to play together ......and if they do make a playoff spot, it's because Matth, Marn finally found some chemistry ..... book it

    • Andrew Piluk Hockey
      Andrew Piluk Hockey  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Elvis Lives So the Leafs making skilled plays is all luck? That’s basically what you’re saying. St Louis was in last and won the cup at the break. That again is not correct.

    • Elvis Lives
      Elvis Lives 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Andrew Piluk Hockey ....it makes total sense .....i'm sorry ...... they are scoring on the power play mostly ..... and individual efforts (Marner splitting the D against Carolina) ...and defensive mistakes by the other teams ..... you have to look deeper than a stats sheet, and a small winning streak .... you have to also look at the overall standings ..... no playoff spot by the all star break is big trouble bud

    • Elvis Lives
      Elvis Lives 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      and yes ... Nylander looks great ..... Keefe's record is great ...... neither of which negates the point that ..... Matthews and Marner do not look good together ...... with the exception of a few miracle passes , like the one against Carolina just before Christmas ...... i called that the Leafs will be in a wild card spot , if Keefe keeps Matthews and Marner together ..... just watch Matthews / Marner during the games ..... and remember. this only applies to 5 on 5 ..... they enter the zone ....and are ....."one and done" ..... Matthews and Nylander hold the zone much more that Matthews and Marner

    • Andrew Piluk Hockey
      Andrew Piluk Hockey  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Elvis Lives Matthews and Marner were put together during the huge winning streak. This comment makes no sense im sorry. Btw I never said u said that Matthews couldnt score. U said he and Marner werent scoring 5 on 5 which is false.

  • Seve cdc
    Seve cdc 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I not so sure Toronto will be making the playoffs this season.

    • GoAuston Goleafs
      GoAuston Goleafs 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Rielly is gone what other defenseman do we have

    • Seve cdc
      Seve cdc 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Keep ups15 I didn't say they are done for this season, just not sure if they will squeak in,maybe if Dubas makes some kind of a move like bringing in a top D man and a valid young backup goaltender ready to replace Freddie when he sucks.

    • Keep ups15
      Keep ups15 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yea I can trust Keefe next season. We can actually have a good start

  • Ryan Graham
    Ryan Graham 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The leafs still aren't good enough healthy if you are being honest with yourself. You think they are gonna score 5-7 goals a game in the playoffs? No way, you have to play defense and have some physicality come playoff time. Just look at the teams that have won the cup the past few years. For the love of god can they please acquire nurse or Dillon so we are not the softest most disappointing team in the league. I'm done.

  • wilby1414
    wilby1414 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Mathews and Nylander and Johanson for McDavid

    • Saul T. Nutz
      Saul T. Nutz 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      WhiteSpider125 it’s just a fantasy trade

    • Saul T. Nutz
      Saul T. Nutz 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Collin Jackson is that why he’s got 34 goals and point per game

    • WhiteSpider125
      WhiteSpider125 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Saul T. Nutz no team in history could make a deal for both McDavid and Drai in a single move. Cant and won't happen.

    • Pavnum 13
      Pavnum 13 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mathews is so overrated

    • Saul T. Nutz
      Saul T. Nutz 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Or Matthews marner Hyman for mcdavid draisaitl

  • Tom Lomonte
    Tom Lomonte 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Andrew if the leafs make a deal , the deal does help and they the leafs don't make the playoffs as they are out at the moment, here is the changes that will need to be looked seriously at , Fredrick Andeson moved, Nylander Johansson Riley Barrie Cicci moved and then need to look at the GM and possible the coaches position ... They removed Babcock their defensive liabilities are even more evident! They don't need players with talent they need players that can be coaches a d willing to play the game needed to win not to be exciting to watch

    • Rick Dudley
      Rick Dudley 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Nylander Wtf haha haha No Andersen No Reilly No

    • Andrew Piluk Hockey
      Andrew Piluk Hockey  2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Rielly, Andersen, and Nylander aren’t going anywhere.

    • Jasmine Charles
      Jasmine Charles 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Anybody can be moved but no way should it be Rielly or Anderson.