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I really don’t think Muzzin is worth his money anymore unfortunately. I’d be looking to move him come off season. I think the guy to target is Middleton from S.J. He’s nasty, cheap and from Ontario so most likely will be interested in re-signing. I would trade Dermott and most likely a pick. Get er done Dubas!
Andrew I am 42 years old. I love your passion and love for the Leafs but being a leafs fan all my life I can tell you we have only been this close in the early 90s and early 2000s. We are 2-3 pieces away from a deep run. This team as it stands is simply not good enough to win a tough first round. They can win the other rounds but the 1st round is going to be the toughest match up and hurdle for them.None of their prospects are guaranteed studs or stars. The leafs need to do whatever it takes to win a round this year.Remember you can always try to move one of your top guys for picks and get those guys backYou aren't getting anything for free and the guys you mentioned that don't cost alot are and will be non factors. Giordano isn't my top choice but he's a Captain and leader and can handle top 4 minutes and is worth it. We need him now not in the off season for free
Giordano is not worth a 1st round pick that is being asked for
Been a leaf a little longer . And a very Imartial leaf fan which over time has helped keep things in perspective! The goaltending situation hasn't changed since the Garret Sparks debacle. Over value of players is again nothing new but previous to a Salary Cap never hampered blocked trades! Their have been players that should have never been traded ! By doing so never really improved the team .Now there are players thar have contracts that didnt earn or do much to get those contracts which have now created a loyalty warranted or not put the team in a worse position and leaf fans wantimg players that they can't afford and may not be any better of what they have.Last they have players in the minors that are capable but are not considered or given a chance because of agents whinning complaining which bury those players with more determination heart leaving or put in waivers worse used in a trade to only watch what could had been
We have to flip Holl for an upgrade/ (UFA) he has term and is decent, he's just not top 4 good for the playoffs in my opinion. Holl and a mid pick has to be able to bring in an upgrade. I think the Leafs are going to pull off a couple "decent" last minute moves. 🤞🏻
Muzzin gets hurt or misses games every playoffs it seems like. Every first roundHave to assume that continues.
I think if the leafs want to trade they need to upgrade Dermot Holl Simmonds and Mikheyou they don't have to be star players just players with some determination to play players like Middleton Reimer
With Simmonds out they have to match the physicality with whoever they put in. Especially In the playoffs. I know it's not a lot lately but he will fight the whole team if he has to and the Leafs NEED more snarl in their lineup not less. I cant stress that enough
A top goalie with term and two top four D man has to be priority here... That's what we need for this season. For next season we need to get a lot more 'no nonsense' in our defensive approach... No matter what the roster looks like. This change of mindset will be key to getting the best out of that top six.I'd prefer Kerfoot, Holl and Mrazek (plus assets) to be traded right now.Muzzin in the Summer is a must too.
I would keep Kerfoot, a very versatile player.
Kerfoot and a pick or Dermot for Scott Mayfield. He’s a 6’ 5” right shot D man that plays minutes and has playoff experience. He is also on a team not making the playoffs that could use Kerfoot
Kerfoots way 2 valuable rn and in the playoffs
Can't trade kerfoot he is too important
You don't get better in the playoffs by trading you best flex player
i dont think giordano works in the off season either unless he takes a huge paycut to play in toronto yall still need fix the goalie problem unless you gamble on the young dude and keep mrazek as a backup and let campbell walk
Dermott for 12 inch foot long, I think he’s not a good fit for this team.
If they want a first for gio, fine keep him and let him walk for nothing
Even if we had Gio or Lindholm I don't think the Leafs are taking out Tampa or Florida. And if that's the case I rather we keep our picks, especially since our scouting department has been A+ these past few seasons. Enough with rentals and paying through our noses for bandaid solutions.
Luke Schenn for a second and a prospect?
I’m a big Lindholm supporter for a couple of years, seems like the total package and has been 1st line for years, is 28 years old, But, for that price you suggest is the rumoured rate I’d much rather take direct aim at Chychrun. Offer what’s necessary but at least you know Chychrun is a top young physical defender who is improving. The fact Chychrun is on LTIR and Muzzin stays on LTIR. We pay a big price so throw Philly “Cheese steaks” Kessel into the deal, he can be included in the deal for the playoffs for that big price we pay and instead of playing with Bozak, he can audition to play with Tavares and Nylander I know it makes me cringe but Kessel won on Pitt and as much as I thought they were permitter wingers with no jam, were either gonna have to ply Kase there with Tavares or Robertson who knows.Kerfoot can do it, other than try really hard id try Philly cheese with this roster This ain’t Bozak country club roster. Who was the 2nd line Center Grabovski? This is a much better lineup for Phil, he probably would get close to point a game pace again with us.Activate Chychrun late, insert him into a prominent roll and see what happens.
@jay m as the roster is currently constructed they may not be able to afford him on an extension.If names like Kerfoot 3.5M, Mikeyev projected over 3M, and Muzzin is currently 5.5M are moved then it’s possible to retain a player like Lindholm That’s about 12M right there.Lindholm currently makes 5.2M against the cap, he 28 years old. A new deal will be in the 6.5-7M range over a long term deal most likely
Whats lindholms cap and potential salary when signed. What i mean is, is he affordable 4 the leafs to extend him in the offseason?
Someone nobody is talking about ,it’s been kept quiet, but Bennington is available, Blues have decided to go with Husso and Charlie Lindgren, if not at trade deadline, different in offseason, blues thinking is it’s a way to create cap space Bennington is signed for at least one more year maybe two
He has a anger problem and has been playing poorly
Wish we didn’t have to trade Dermott. He’s a good, calm puck mover. He’s just not a good fit for playoff hockey, and obviously that heinous turnover last season in the playoffs probably makes a lot of people nervous.
Bro we getting Gio and maybe someone who can enhance the 4th line no more than 2 moves by dubas
Dermott for Anton Fosberg
Over value of Dermott
The scouting report on Lindholm doesn't really go with the grit the Buds need for a defenseman IMO. Geo....too expensive. Hopefully Dubas doesn't give away his first pick.
personally I think the big opportunities out there that dubas should pay whatever the cost is are Chychurun or provorov. defencmen like that never come available. they need to do their best to get 1 of them
Travis Dermott for Josh Mason 🤔
Mayfield or Soucy might be an option. Don't need to give up 1st round pick probably.... ?
The leafs moves are unexpected and we have no idea they’re coming until the trade goes down (Foligno is the only exception). These players r highly unlikely because of that and their asking price. Dubas doesn’t want a rental and he needs a right shot to upgrade on Holl if muzzin comes back. I believe because of that it’s going to be Damon Severson he’s an analytical darling and while not physical he defends well and moves the puck well and can play in all 3 zones. Plus he’s not a rental with another year on his contract after this one.
I believe the leafs have enough d-men that are not physical. To me this is the main issue with the defence. Too many are easily pushed around game in and game out. Including Reilly.
Seems like yesterday we got knocked out by the Habs and here we are again ready for another play off Fleury
So if the leafs go out and get a LD and Muzzin comes back for the playoffs, then what. You sit SANDIN? The only d-man the leafs should be looking for has to play the right side. That is where the upgrade for Holl needs to be filled. So if you get Muzzin back the RD would be Brodie, Lybushkin and New player. If Muzzin doesn't come back you keep Holl on the 3rd pairing and Brodie on the LD.
Get Anderson off of the Sabres, he’s always stonewalled the Leafs and he’d cost under a mil…and bring Luke Schenn back home…that’s all we need…
Thoughts on kallegren?
Wanna see him play a few games before I make any critical judgment on him. But I was very impressed the other night with him
Guys think St Louis Jordan Binnington went on to win Stanley Cup.
@Robert Ferguson agree...what we have now is not working...
@Steve Smith true, i am waiting....lolllllllll
It appears to be anybody but Mrazek (ABM) so if Kallegren doesn't work out well you never know one of us could be getting a call.
Lindholm for more than that eichel went for... yeah lol
Dubas has traded enough picks in recent years, and we've accomplished zilch. So ya know what, he built this team,, sink or swim with it. How about a proper hockey trade - roster player for roster player?
It’s not all about stats. WATCH the game! Ask AM? Chiarot is way better than Lyubushkin
the leafs could always trade muzzin in the off season and resign lindholm if they do go out and get him. jmo
Why? They don't need more offense
Clearly, this team needs a backup goalie. Anton Forsberg is a much better option than MAF. We should probably know in the next few days if Muzzin will be on, or off LTIR. Cheap D-men like Pysyk, like you said is a great option. We need another Russian Bear. And I can actually see Doobie getting Chara to clear the fron of the net.
get mark andre fluery, also get z.chara for cheap
Chara is old and slow.... fluery woukd demand to play first then you're alienating Campbell just before he's going to get signed.
Rumor that Wayne Gretsky is coming to the leafs for future considerations
Don't worry we know except for a few that don't know ya it's never click bait
Leafs are either playing tampa or florida. I don't seem them beating either team so I'd rather them keep their draft picks and prospects.
Can't give up the future for a rental, NOOOOO
This is the future
Defien HUGE!!! HUGE TRADE!! OR a Huge Rumor of a trade !!
What team is that hat? I gotta know
Oooh .. never click bait with you Andrew!!!
I hope we do something BUT this market is making it really hard. Also at a bad time Muzzin done (how long who knows) Woll got hurt tonight, Jack isn't even skating oh BOY. If we do nothing I chalk it up to price and market do we want to give up high picks/high prospects? IF Fleury would waive, and we get a 3rd team in I could see it. I think why we haven't seen a trade yet is ...Dubas' focus shifted to goalie whereas b4 it was D ...can't figure this one out, bad market, high prices, dunno if Muzzin is out till playoffs. We will find out in 4 days
What about jerseys severson defenseman
Happy St. Patricks Day Really Fantastic Job Leafs Need To Be More Tougher In Both Ends Of The Ice Which Is Why I Kinda Like Middleton :)
They should be looking at Mayfield outta NYI.
If leafs are giving up first and top prospect. Dubas would be smarter to add two more pieces ( liljegren and a second in 2024) and go for cychrun
@J.A. Scott I agree that liljegren and 2nd don’t get chychrun but I think you missed the first and one if leafs top prospects was also included
@Tony Mccutcheon yeah but Timmy isn’t worth more then Dermott and there is no way Dermott and a 2nd would bring that back to Toronto
@J.A. Scott the reported ask from the yotes is a first a young player and a top prospect. I added the second to compensate for leafs first being late and if yotes wanted another asset I could be persuaded yo add either a conditional pick( starting at a 4th and increasing for every round they win) on leafs playoff success or a B prospect
Major over value of Leafs player
Roll Kallgren as our long term starter!!!
@Roger Kniffen r/whoosh
After just two games he becomes the anointed one? Are you with the Toronto sports media? Kallgren will be thrown to the wolves and once again the media will slice him up like yesterdays bait.
Crouse,Vejmelka, ChychrunNylander, Mrazek, Sandin
Fuck no to Chara 😅
I gotta wonder whether the Panthers way overpaid for Chiarot to screw the competition? Montreal SCAH-REWED them!! It had to be intentional, nobody believes Chiarotten is worth all that!Jack ~'()'~
@Darrell Gobeil Chiarot shit down Matthews last year? LOL!Anyway, my post was about how the Panthers grossly over paid for Chiarot, that's just a fact.Jack ~'()'~
@Darrell Gobeil he didn't shut down anything... actually look at his advanced stats
They got him cuz he shut down matthews last year. So........
@Deleted User THANK GORD!!Jack ~'()'~
Montreal had a bidding war going between Toronto and Florida, Toronto backed out like they should have
trade marner problem solved
@pahul79 then tell me what would you do to free up cap space to significantly improve the team....the leafs are going no where if they dont do something drastic they need defense and what they have now ain't cutting it the leafs would survive without marner
Yeah bro, trading 100 point players always improves your team
Why should the leafs trade for a left handed defender when their left side is rielly, muzzin, sandin? Makes no sense to me. Pick someone up on the right side if anything.
Man...its rumours...who cares
Bring in chara
@Bruno Pariselli dubas will offer something. Im sure he would deal with the leafs
Lamarillo would never trade with Toronto to make them better. Kiss Chara, or any Islander, good bye
I hope Toronto does not trade any more first rounders for a rental. Give Kallgren a chance.No to trading for a goalie.
Andrew you were closer than you think when you miss said Meeps instead of leafs. They will Meep in the playoffs and be out.
get ride of Timothy he not that great d man
Id Dubas doesnt Kucherov Muzzin until the playoffs so the Leafs have more cap room to play with, Shanahans first action this offseason needs to be to fire Dubas.
Shanahan would be first to go.
@Alex Rompen kucherov could have easily signed off on it! (im sure he did 100000000%) as for Lupul, the team Doctors and other "professionals" said he wasn't fit to return. I'm sure Lupes felt like he could, (i know i did when i was concussed multiple times probably shouldn't have but try stopping me!) but it's not always in the players hands. Look at the Eichel situation in Buffalo...anyways I hope Muzzin comes back when he's ready mentally AND physically, because we need him at his best!!!
@ManicMarner lol..riiiiight... try telling that to Lupul or Kucherov.. teams abuse it all the time
its not Dubas' decision lol.... Doctors will clear him and if they hold him back and the league finds out wheeeeww someone is getting a spanking!
When they lose in the first round again they need to fire Dubas bring in a real Gm and hopefully move marner too. He is a big part of the problem with needing to be overpayed.Trade Tavares too and hopefully come out with a solid 6D that will be able to compete in any situation. And going forward not making stupid contracts in a hard cap.
@Roger Kniffen I believe Dubas is the real issue in fact I felt like they shouldn’t of hired him in the first place. But Marner making $11 million because of his big fucking ego he’s a selfish player so I would rather have a payday then a Stanley Cup a good general manager would’ve told him sorry bud it’s 8 million and no more and if you have to go then will trade you but we’re here to win a cup not pad your bank account
So trade Marner because you believe he is over paid? The one pure play maker the leafs have. Get rid of Dubas. It is he that could not get any of the top four to sign favourable contracts. I mean 11 M for Tavares? Give me a break. Honestly, to me, Dubas is the issue. I would trade Matthews in a heart beat. Yeah he scores and is leading the league in scoring but he would bring the greatest return. And his sulking would be gone from the dressing room.
We’re fucked guys. This isn’t a “cup run “ kind of team. Leafs are more than a piece of two away. Just check a couple good teams def depth chart. It’s laughable to think the leafs could win a round even this year.
TRADE JT problem solved for Cap room ... 11 mil. Dubas can get y 2 top young 25 year olds D with size and 3rd line forward...JT is getting SLOWER every year and will continue to do so ...YES JT has NO trade Clause but it has been done several times in the past 5 years players have that Clause BUT still get traded
Leafs want everyone but do not get anyone. Harry Potter is a Tire kicker
Luke Schenn and James Reimer please.
Chariot and Chara will help the Leafs and assign Sandin to the Minors.Trade Holl
Assign sandin to the minors? Your insane lmfao
Chariot is gone already
Leafs only have two d Muzzin and Lubushkin that can actually play d, defend,hit,block shots,play physical and move players out from screening the Leafs goalie.
i want mayfield from islanders big gritty dude !! fights and blocks shots shoots right , middlefield from sharks maybeeeee
Unless Dubas makes a trade , a top two dman a a goaltender , bye bye along with Shanahan
Typical laff fan. We want everything and we will give you spare parts!! Good luck with your first round exit!!
We certainly ain’t giving up the farm LOL
Hey who said they're going to make the playoffs
It's not your money Andrew why are you so worried. It's all or nothing right now
Dubas does not lose his job if they lose in the first round. He has done a good job. He is safe and rightfully so. He would trade a big piece for next year though.
I disagree. Dubas is the one that has hamstrung the leafs with huge contracts to Matthews, Marner, JT and Nylander. No big name defence man. No true number one goaltender. And Keefe who is out coached by almost every other coach in the league. Especially during the playoffs.
How can I majorly dislike this